Maxim,

What's yor position regarding the "nasi"? Are they a good organization and do you feel the bronze statue should be removed or destroyed?

If you lived in Estonia, then you would have a much clearer picture of the complexity of the problem regarding the pronkssõdur. It's not a decision that is going to be decided by the Estonian Central Council in Canada, so there's no point flogging it to death with useless words and getting abused for it in the process.

maxim,

I see, you will comment on items that YOU have no knowledge about but are too meek (a.k.a chicken) to state your position on matters you claim to know.

so what about the "nasi" are they friend or foe???

... claims to know something that the rest of us don't -- without telling us what it is. Yet again, he says, "I know something that the rest of you do not", and nothing more.

It makes for a boring read with no point other than self-advertisment.

Shows what a bunch of windbags really hang out here, who want nothing more to provoke an argument and then stab you in the back for having responded. All the evidence about the Pronkssõdur is available for you to read without making me your skapegoat-yet again! Who exactly are these people you call the "nasi"? They have no Finno-ugric connection, perhaps you can enlighten us all about this tribe of wayfarers you have discovered.

I just read these comments, and couldn't understand what Maxim said wrong this time that would get up your ire. He was simply crediting EE with a job well done-what's so bad about that?

You are not interested in my opinion, which you've never shown the least respect for; and provoking me to be angry over your absurd point of view that my opinions may well coincide with those of the Russian President show once again that you are only out to discredit my good name. If you wish to share an opinon, make it your own that you share, instead of getting up my ire and speaking such ludicrous nonsense!!

... by harping at the Canadian readers of EE, Maxim has discredited his own good name.

If you'd care to look at my opening comment concerning this article, and all the comments that follow, then they will only reveal that YOU are the one making a complete ass of yourself this time round! I am playing fairly by the rules and you, my friend, look to break the rules and silence me, and I'm afraid it's just not going to work. This is a very good article, written by a young Russian living in Estonia. Why don't you come out and say what you really intend to say....I'm not going to say it for you, but knowing your biased attitude, I think we readers get a pretty good insight to what it might well be.

Maxim, who gave you the right to represent the readers of EE online since you write " I think we readers ..." ???? You certainly DO NOT represent me !!! This is based on your previous anti Estonian and pro Russian writings. If you deny this I would be glad to provide you with exerpts from the archives to prove my point. The worst , IMHO , were the slanderous comments regarding Estonian women during WWII . To date you have not apologized , as a reader requested. I for one take you as one who wants to provoke readers. In that respect you have done a good job. I believe though that readers are getting wise to your antics and not responding to your attacks like they used to. The only reason I am reponding is to let you know again that you do NOT represent me or my values.

Methinks you're a bit of a fruitcake, but if it really gives you a warmer feeling on the inside, then yes, in all likelihood I don't represent your thinking. However, my criticism concerning issues surrounding WWII about which I have written here have been taken completely out of context, and therefore I feel absolutely no need to apologize for ideas which my critics have advanced beyond any context which I forsaw them as being taken in the first place. I also think it is high time that my critics offered a few apologies of their own to me.

Maxim -- you said that Estonian women provided German soldiers with sexual gratification during WWII.

Now, you complain that you have been quoted out of context. HOW?

I did not say that!! Any mention of sexual gratification has come forth for the very first time in this commentary. I made reference to flirtation, which stops way short of what you describe, and I think that if there is anyone to be angry with, it's yourself for going so far as to suggest that flirting automatically leads to sexual gratification. As it happens, most Estonian women know the difference, and it is appauling that you should be willing to drag down the quality of the Estonian female to the cesspools to which you elect to descend. Shame on you-and pity for diverting the argument so far from its original content.

b.s.!

I take it Maxim that you did a survey and now I am to assume that you are a female and represent Estonian women by your statement " ...most Estonian women know the difference .... ". Notice I didn't say an Estonian female because I don't want to give them a bad name like you do. By the way what about the other Estonian women that don't know the difference since you mention " ..most Estonian ..". Don't they deserve an apology ? Most could mean 51 %. So now I can assume that in your opinion up to 49% of Estonian women do not deserve an apology.
Item number two. It is usual to assume that silence means agreement. Right ? That means you agree with my statement regarding your anti Estonian and pro Russian writings. Thank you Maxim for being that honest wether you are a man or women or something in between .

It is simply astounding beyond words what a lot a philistines you lot think yourself to be! I have honed and tempered my comments this way and that for the past few months, and to you that doesn't mean a single thing, because all you're interested is nailing people and driving them so far underground they'll never come back here again! Fortunately for me, I've learnt my lessons, and most of my comments from the past few months have found very positive reaction, but that is hardly a thing you'll ever want to admit, for it would mean your arguments against me would also fall like a pack of cards in a deckhand. What a pity for you! As for me, I'll will keep on honing and tempering my comments, taking aboard fair criticism as it arises, and I hope you will do the same for all our sakes as well. Best of luck to you in the future. PS. What exactly have I said that is so pro-Russian? I don't recall anything of the sort. But if it gives you such a buzz, I'll know you'll be back to hound me some more for yet something else I have done wrong.

Taking on yet another name Maxim ? You ask what you have said pro-Russion . Try this for only a starter. You wrote on 03 Sept 2005 at 21:32 " However in time, and with some slavic inbreeding among the general Estonian population, we might finally be able to curb that nasty traditional character fault once and for all... " . I expect you to reply that I didn't understand your comment. Also that Russians are not a Slavic people, etc.
By the way you also promised last January that you were leaving and not going to support EE any more . What happened since you are still here ?
Here is your quote from 17 Jan 2006 at 23:09 " ..then I am sorry to say that I really don't see much point returning here to read anything further from me. Your dictators have won a hard-fought battle; and though I have always tried to be as enthusiastic and interesting as I can possibly be, there just doesn't seem to be any more reason to continue supporting your paper, ...". Did I misunderstand you yet again Maxim ?

If you really hate me that much and follow me around wherever I go, I must hold some competely screwy and insatiable fascination for you, otherwise you wouldn't go on collecting my titbits and from the past and casting the eternal deathwish upon me. As it happens, I am as fascinated as you, and it keeps me returning here just as it does you. I think we really have a lot more in common than you think, even though you dread the thought of that. As I have said earlier, there doesn't seem to be any logic in your personal attacks, and if your hate goes so deep in my case, then I am afraid there is every reason that you probably hate others as well. And just as most people don't answer my questions when I ask them , it seems only fair for me not to rebutt your questions. Better luck in the future.

I suspect Seedrioru Jack is behind most of this hate campaign against you, Maxim. Try to keep a low profile and don't let them get at you. I see this crowd much more often during the year than you do, and let me tell you there are some funny bunnies amongst the best of them.

Digging up Maxim's statements from the past is a service to EE readers. I'd like to see a complete catalogue of his outrageous insults.
Previously, he implied that Estonian women were a bunch of sluts that "entertained" the German troops. Now, he says that they merely "flirted" with them. It would be useful to re-examine his precise wording to see just what was said. You could be helpful here.
He has also said that Canadian-Estonians are Nazi-sympathizers and that Lutherans are the "white trash" of Estonian society.
If he isn't already writing to us from an asylum for the insane, then "the collected works of Maxim" could be good grounds for sending him there.
Go to it EE_Lugeja. You just might get this vile bastard out of our face.

illuminati II = Maxim

you are incorrect if you believe the illuminati posting to be maxim ... he may not be always right, and you may never agree with him, but each person has a right to express himself, and the reader has the right to ignore or respond .... to respond in an emotional manner, means he is getting the better of you

Keep it up guys!! Everyone can see you for what you are worth..and please, please someone else dig up what else I have said, because the "white trash" bit is in the same category as sexual gratification. And on those grossly distorted lies there continues to be a deafening silence, because I simply didn't say that. Be that as it may, I invite as many other readers who have also cut and pasted any of my previous comments to do so again. I think it is plain for all to see that this game of character asassination is leading nowhere, except to make Canadian-Estonians wonder about what kind of leading lights they actually have running their communities! To most of the other fair-minded people-the very best wishes to you all!

You are a very kind and extremely reasonably-minded person. Thank you very much for such an enlightening comment.

You have to work on developing an alternate style for posting complimentary comments about youself. As it is, it's simply too transparant to fool anyone.

there are a few clowns posting here .... why bother, ? ... if you are an estonian the topic in this article is very important and needs to be taken seriously !

Maxim you state "...And on those grossly distorted lies there continues to be a deafening silence, ...." . Do you have a double standard since you don't answer my questions ? Yours and everyone elses comments are available for all readers in the EE Arhiiv. All you need to do is learn how to use the Arhiiv.(On the left side of every EEonline page near the very bottom after VALUUTAKURSID.) Just hit enter without entering a search word and you get ALL the articles by date. Just look for a high number of comments for an article and bet your bottom dollar Maxim is at work. Latest articles appear first so to see an older article click on a page number to go to older articles. You can also narrow the number of articles by searching on a "narrow date range". Hope this helps people to go back and pin Maxim to what he actually wrote but not as he would put it "what I meant ". Next Maxim will claim that EE does not have an accurate ARHIIV . See Maxim I am willing to help you learn a little.

Here is your post from the ARHIIV Maxim regarding WWII . Archives come very handy sometimes to see what people actually wrote-

"Maxim 17 Jan 2006 05:32
Teema: Cummon...! (5)

Hopefully we won't run the same number of opinions as the one before Christmas-it almost made it to 100. If you people want to continue flirting with your Nazi past, then do so at your own peril. The fact is that no-one demanded an equivalent to the Nuremburg trials for the USSR, because there was a pretty unanimous view at the time that in the end, the Soviets were indeed less an evil than the Nazis. Since any kind of history limits itself to layman's terms, it will continue to be very difficult trying to put the case the other way round, if indeed that is at all possible. However, these sorts of discussions are nothing more than squaring off history at some point; reality takes a different shape and form-globalisation is one of the fastest ways of helping the politically immoral to keep the higher moral ground, since it excuses the sins of the past."

(The quote marks are not part of the archive.)
Try to tell me this is not pro Russian.
Are you going to need help in reviewing your comments from the past ? Let me know I would be more than happy to help you dig a deeper hole for yourself.

I am pleased to let you know that I don't in any way whatsoever consider you to be a GENUINE critic of mine; just someone who has a huge chip on his shoulder and doesn't know what to do with it. Along comes Maxim, a decent human being with a tremendous thirst for knowledge (a lot of which has already been obtained through sheer hard work) and you see a divine opportunity to intellectually butcher him to death! If you knew your history a little better, my friend, then you would know that a significant part of the Soviet victory is not attributable to me, or heaven forbid even you, but to the USA, who did much to advance the cause of the Soviets in morally providing them support over that of the Germans. How you'll ever come to terms with that problem is certainly not easy, and projecting the problem onto me is also not the best way of seeking a resolution. I have never been a supporter of the Soviet regime, but at the same time I have always felt that it is time for Estonians get over the past and get on with the future. I don't take your insults half a seriously as you do, and I can see that it really seems to get up your nose. You are here because you see an opportunity to be an aggravating nuisance! Why do you choose to put the boot into me when you know full well that a more positive comment regarding this article could not have be forthcoming, such as the one I opened with in the first place. Yet you choose to be antagonistic towards me to the bitter end, and it will not work!! I care for my fellow Estonian brothers and sisters more than you think I do, and it shows in the substance of our exchanges. Many people have left the Estonian community embittered for the same kinds of reasons as I should be for having faced your menacing bile. But I'm simply not going to let your evil ways destroy yet another patriotic Estonian. I will fight you intellectually to the bitter end, if that's what it takes. Better luck....

Maxim,

You still have not given any good reason as to why eestivennlased should be permitted/allowed to have the same rights as a "veri-eestlane"? Why should we incoporate the oppressors culture into the oppressed's?

Why do we need some sort of "link" between the"illegal" Russians in Eesti? Ship all those who haven't met the guidelines back to mother Russia.

I don't have to learn history since I lived through it. Escaping from the "hävitus pataljoon" as a child in the middle of the night was not fun. Running to a bomb shelter while allied bombers were overhead was not fun either. But at least I understand that they did what they had to . You on the other hand start to blame the U.S. only and ignore the other allied countries. Recommend you go back to your books .
You call yourself a patriot. In that case who needs enemies. Your comments IMHO, especially the one above, indicate strong symptoms of NPD. I believe that with all my heart. For that reason I will not continue a dialoge any more since it could lead you to take drastic action(s). I hope you seek professional help ASAP. Best of luck with treatments.

If you're such a big - hearted anti-Russian person with a conviction to back up your opinions, then get yourself over here and kick off the forceable immigration of Russian back to their homeland yourself! I'd be very interested to see just how far you get. Probably not much further than Estam. If even Toomas Hendrik Ilves recently went so far as to acknowledge he wouldn't approve of the removal of the Pronkssõdur UNDER THE CURRENT POLITICAL CLIMATE and you think it is possible, then prove it instead of being one of the usual armchair critics.

I agree with you, EE Lugeja.
Maxim's self-perception as an intellectual is out of sync with his inability to compose a coherent argument. Its magnitude is strong evidence of a need for therapy.
Don't expect him to look for any, however. An impassioned, know-it-all nut like Maxim can't entertain even a glimmer of self-doubt, even when he is alone in the world holding to a belief.
He might believe that silence implies agreement and, therefore, he has a horde of adoring fans among EE readers who wish that he could become a columnist.
It's a shameful and embarrassing thing to witness.

you summarize the situation pretty well

These angry ramblings are precisely why I rarely look at this page. Reasonable debate has been replaced by the hateful grumbles of the anti-intellectual dinosaurs who fancy themselves ‘leaders’ of the community.
If the results of your efforts over the past 50 years are any indicator, you should be a bit nicer to Maxim: he’s the only one outside of your ring of hate who's listening.

Are you for real, Paavo? Or is that you, Maxim, writing behind a phoney name again? The grammatical errors, incoherent composition and non sequiturs are simply trademark Maxim.
Would you like me to be more specific?

Maxim = illuminati = illuminati II = Paavo.

You are like a dog with a bone -- all jaw, no sense.

Many thanks Paavo. You simply prove one endemic fact that is pertinent to an Estonian community; and that is that there are a few people out there who would gladly see me banished for good from any community, and there are probably more of them lurking within the corridors of our Canadian-Estonian communities. I am predicting a continuing brain-drain and otherwise dwindling of the Estonian community this year due to these very same people who are no doubt self-proclaimed "leaders" of our communities. I know their tactics and their anti-intellectualism, let alone their snide remarks, and warn others to be on the lookout for these "spies in Toronto". And I thought the former KGB was bad enough....! It simply doesn't pay to imagine you can have a meaningful exchange here, let alone within the broader Community.

your goal seems to want to canadianize estonian youth ... ok, but please do it in an intelligent manner ... just express your opinion and how things could/should be changed ... your non topic discourse does discourage particiaption ... maxim's insights are not always mine either, but so what, move on

You make a very good point here. Perhaps time has moved on so much that where I (and some others) hoped to see some form of continuation of Estonian language and culture in the future, then the realists see this in a quite different context. Very well...I stand corrected. I also openly apologize to all those readers who have had to put up with a lot on very non-meaningful letter exchanges. I see my own fault here in not stating my point of view, and then restraining from the gush of rebuttle from Anonymous, Seedrioru et al. Nevertheless it is intersting to note that these people criticize others such as Paavo who write in defence of me as if it were I who were writing in the first place. I think this is kind of unusual, and shows a slight one-sidedness in their attitude. I am sorry that those people who have stood in my defence have had to put up with some unsavoury comments from these same "critics", and you can be certain that I will not give my opposition the pleasure of driving me into the ground in future. Once again thank you for your patience.