Kaliningraders oppose new immigrants – even if they’re Russian
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Maxim31 Aug 2006 07:15
Kaliningraders mean business when they say they refuse to capitulate to another wave of Soviet Immigration. In Estonia, where there has recently been a dramatic slackening of immigration laws, courtesy of the European Union who insisted we make it easier for Russians to visit-and therfore obviously to emigrate to Estonia should they wish to do so-then the opposite seems to be the case in Kaliningrad. I congratulate the people of Kaliningrad on their fierce defence of their national interests, and if things go well there, I will probably move their myself. Estonia; better luck in the future.
Bon Voyage, Maxim31 Aug 2006 10:04
From what I've read, Kaliningrad is a vision of hell -- impoverished, corrupt and run by gangsters (some of them are called 'politicians'). The fact that there are people who want to move there speaks to two facts: (1) some places are even more wretched and (2) some people are too stupid to look before they leap.
Maxim31 Aug 2006 13:45
Just another case of blind idiocy to the max! Kaliningrad is economically doing very well thank you; just look at last year's figures for tourism. In fact to take it one step further, Estonia is as of this year on a decline in its tourism, and it looks like some serious work will have to be done in order to attempt to get out of this slump.
Maxim01 Sep 2006 13:02
The place you are thinking of is Ivangorod (Jaanilinn)-that is one hell of a long way away from Kaliningrad (Königsberg)!!!
Don't tell Maxim because31 Aug 2006 10:27
There is a categorical difference between giving Russians the right to visit Estonia and giving them the right to emigrate to Estonia.
The difference of a mere word would, of course, be lost on the almost illiterate Maximahv so (hopefully) he'll set sail with confidence; convinced that he's the only one 'in the know' as the balance of Estonians inadvertently commit suicide by ignorance.
Good luck, Maximahv. Hope that you learn to speak Russian, having failed at English and Estonian.
Maxim31 Aug 2006 13:42
You should know better than me that you can´'t even answer your own question, because the new law in fact makes it possible in every way for more Russians to emigrate here than was possible during the Soviet occupation. The fact that you are afraid to admit this clearly shows that either you are bluffing, or you simply don't understand the consequences of the new law. Sounds like yet another one of Siim Kallas' useful idiots who took his line about the total and continuing independence of Estonia as being something not worth standing in favour of, and voted YES to the admission into the EU.
to -- Maxim01 Sep 2006 02:55
As usual, what you say is hopelessly confused. You don't know that tourism and immigration are seperate matters, that Kaliningrad is a part of Russia, or that Estonia's economy is currently experiencing near-record growth. (For some precise statistics from Estonia's Ministry of Finance, see here: http://www.epl.ee/?artikkel=32... ).

I wonder about you Maxim. In response to your worry about a possible increase of Russian immigration into Estonia, you are thinking about moving to Kaliningrad, Russia. Is that the act of a rational person?
Maxim01 Sep 2006 06:34
if you actually did YOUR homework better-or, an improvement on that; actually lived in Estonia, then you would be much more careful about what you believed to be happening with regard to the Estonian economy. It is a known fact that Estonia has reached it's peak economically, and we are in a dire position of lagging behind the rest of Europe with regard to product quality v's wages. So much so that Estonia is bleeding terribly over labour skills moving abroad. This has hit hardest in the building industry. I'm not at all surprised if you come up with some other ridiculous suggestion about me not knowing what I am saying, but that can be put down to the fact that you just aren't up on things Estonian. Pity really.
to -- Maxim01 Sep 2006 09:32
On your way to Russia (specifically Kaliningrad) to get away from Russians (in Estonia), will you stop by the Estonian Ministry of Finance to drop off your "known fact" about the Estonian economy (that is "known" only by you)? Be a decent guy and do it. They could use the info and, besides, it's not far from some good spots for hitch-hiking.
be a sport, Maxim!01 Sep 2006 09:40
Drop off your "known fact". You wont be needing it anymore. And we've got no use for it. So do the right thing.
Anonymous01 Sep 2006 10:25
I was shocked when I went to Estonia this summer and saw how much Tallinn's skyline had changed over three years. I believe Maxim when he says that there is a shortage of labour in the building industry because construction was in progress everywhere. A large area on the waterfront, north-east of the Viru gate, will soon be a very pleasant surprise to those of you who haven't been to Estonia for a while.
I think that Maxim is a bit of a fool to move to Russia to get away from Russians. The average wage there is less than what he could get if he were to return to Canada and collect welfare.
Maxim01 Sep 2006 12:56
Thank you all for your concern about my move to Kaliningrad. It won't be one to be done in the imminent future, but "shopping around Europe" as Estonians are doing more and more of these days, then you could do worse than look past places such as Serbia (the fastest growing economy in Eastern Europe) and Estonia's favourite rival Slovenia. Kaliningrad, surprisingly, has, contrary to the lies recorded in this commentary section, is doing very well indeed! Of course my critics know full well that anything portrayed in the negative will draw much more interest than the positive I have and will continue to portray in the future. In fact, I really don't understand why so many Canadian-Estonians of the younger generation have become so thoroughly pessimistic about their politics, in spite of their personal living standards and conditions implying the complete opposite. Perhaps their hearts are dry as an old bone, and the decaying process is working a lot faster in their case than it should. Better luck in the future.
Toomas01 Sep 2006 22:12
Paul Goble, a highly respected authority in this area, has published several articles about Kaliningrad in EE. (Readily available from the archives.) He paints a grim portrait of the place.

I don't believe that Maxim really believes a word of what he says in the above postings. That confused and contradictory mess was composed to provoke us -- again. The profound grudge that Maxim bears against his Canadian-Estonian community seems to have driven him insane. It's a sad thing to witness.

To a lesser extent, it's sad to witness the richly-deserved mockery that he has called forth with such relentless effort. Other kooks that have appeared here (Peeter and Siil) have eventually calmed down or gone away. Maxim is a special case.

I'd be very curious to hear the editor's vview on this issue.
Maxim01 Sep 2006 22:21
I am not sure about the status of others that you mention here, and certainly I am highly sceptical about just how much you actually know and are interested in things Estonian, but Peeter's comments are some of the most intelligent thoughts that have come this paper's way! I know I can say that with confidence, because he doesn't have a swollen head like you, and he always does his homework before he comments about anything. I have NEVER read anything constructive from you, Toomas-all you see to indulge in is criticizing others. And if you really are a leader of our community, then that should surprise me all the less, since you have an uncanny ability to rub other people up the wrong way. Pity really.
Gröönimaalt.01 Sep 2006 22:29
I'd say this is a slight on Maxim. A diversionary tactic, to call upon the editor as if the editor automatically would agree with what Toomas thinks. it simply makes me even more suspicious of Toomas and his underhanded ways.
to -- Maxim Gröönimaalt04 Sep 2006 11:21
We thought you were heading for Russia. How did you get to Gröönimaa?
Anyway, you hit the bricks too quick. If you look at today's Eesti Päevaleht you'll see two articles on Estonia's booming economy -- 12% growth in this quarter.
Where do you get your doom and gloom statistics?
to -- Maxim Gröönimaalt04 Sep 2006 11:30
You were such a "tulihingeline eesti rahvuslane" just a short while ago. What happened?
EE_Lugeja04 Sep 2006 17:18
Here is a link to a report regarding an increase in Estonian tourism. Wander where Maxim get's his info re tourism. Must be that his relatives don't visit him anymore. Wander why.
http://www.tourism.ee/en/news/...
Anonymous05 Sep 2006 11:14
Thanks.
It's hard to understand why Maxim would state the opposite.
Reinu05 Sep 2006 21:03
Why are so many of the comments on this board so blindly patriotic? When did reality become treasonous?
Pessimism about growth and labour shortages promote healthy economic policies and help ensure future growth. Your premise would suggest that any economist who issues negative projections should be dismissed and hung.

Sounds an awful lot like Soviet era economic policy to me. . . . Oh yeah, and next time you quote something, you may want to consider linking to an article that's attributed to someone or at least not from a site representing the industry in question.
Anonymous07 Sep 2006 05:29
What's "blindly patriotic" about specific references to authoritative sources attesting to growth in Estonia's economy at this time?
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