This is a poignantly written piece, but it follows much the same kind of pattern that most of these stories tend to do. We all know that it is right and just that good Estonians made a successful exit in 1944, and the bad ones became commies and stayed, but that's not the whole story. Let's get a more rounded picture, and include some stories which do more than simply draw a dividing line between good and bad.

"This is a poignantly written piece", [Truly, it is.] "but it follows much the same kind of pattern that most of these stories tend to do." [Yes, she starts at the beginning and works toward the end. What should she do instead?] "We all know that it is right and just that good Estonians made a successful exit in 1944, and the bad ones became commies and stayed," [I presume that you are being sarcastic here -- for reasons known only to your therapist.] "but that's not the whole story." [Correct. It's not even a part of the story because no one has said anything so patently false and ugly.] "Let's get a more rounded picture," [How? By adding falsehood or ideology to a simple story truthfully told?] "and include some stories which do more than simply draw a dividing line between good and bad." [Tell us what you mean by this vague and sinister insinuation.]

Isn't it enough for you that someone tells us their story in terms that describe the broader human condition -- that there is injustice in the world, concentrated in the circumstances of war and communism? Here, Estonian civilian and Soviet soldier are, in different ways, equally victims of injustice and both retain their humanity. Yet, you demand something more without specifying what it is.

The style of of your comment, Peeter Pervelaid, is exactly like Maxim's: the tone is one of intellectual superiority, the grammatical composition is flawed, vague and clumsy, and factual matters are false and insulting. The resulting impression is one of conceit, stupidity, confusion and resentment. Only Maxim is capable of writing in this manner.

Maxim! You promised to open your own web-site. Why are you continuing to harass us?

Let's keep Maxim out of this one please! I for one am sick of him being made the scapegoat here. Why twist Pervelaid's message to suggest something which to me it clearly does not? And please; let's give up on Maxim-he's given up on us-finally.

Pervelaid, Jaanituli, and now Impartail Judge. Maxim, again, quite obviosuly

Max: you are hiding behind the cloak of anonymity, your schizo names fool nobody... You cannot change your style, and your clumsy deceptions make you even more risible. Defending yourself whiule using the name impartial judge is too much, even for you.

In what way was Pervelaid's message twisted?
In what way does it differ from Maxim's?

. . . the abusive, irrational, fundamentalist witch hunt continues . . . .

Ühinen igati "Impartial judge 08 Nov 2006 09:59
" kommentaariga. Lisaksin sinna veel kirjutaja varjunimega "Surprise, surprise".

Lugupidavalt,
Johannes Pahapill

PS Kuna mul puudub isegi elementaarsem originaal mõte, siis ma ainult "ühinen". Vott siis see Kersoni proua, kelle rahadest ma elan, ütleb "Jukku, oled tubli poiss!"

Ja mina lisaks "To Peeter Pervelaid"

Mina kirjutasin selle varjunime all. Küsiks miks Te mind soovite tuvastada? Kas olen kuidagi eksinud. Kas panete mind koos Maximiga ühte patta?

Jah. Samma laul teisel viisil.

Will it EVER end?
Ms Aer has shared a heartfelt story with us. It is one of thousands of stories that I for one would love to read. It gives me, a person who wasn't around in those horrible times, a window on what it was like to live through it.
PLEASE don't poison every story with this mindless drivel!
I think the purpose of these comment areas is to discuss the article that has been presented.
Let's use it for that purpose.
Take your witch hunts to the foorum. At least there, they don't take away from the meaningful articles.
PS - EestiElu, you do a FANTASTIC job! I've had comments from relatives in Eesti saying that our paper is more interesting to read than Postimees.
We're very lucky.

I also wish that it would end "faithful reader". But how can this come about? When Maxim comes here to insult us, silence implies agreement. Therefore, I think that we should respond in some manner; but, Maxim is impervious to fact and reasoned argument and, similarly, to mockery and ridicule.
Do you have any suggestions?

Really, enough is enough. Could you not respond to a simple request without poking at this poor Maxim?
Please . . . take your grudge to some other virtual wrestling ring.

The only way is to IGNORE those comments and stick to the point.
Meaningful dialogue is good. Name-calling is, ... how to say this....
Haritud inimesed ei tegutse niimoodi.

Well said.
I'm not holding my breath, but let's hope that it ends with that . . .

Calling someone in this community a "freak" is abusive. I don't recall anyone personally attacking you, despite the crude and insulting language.

Could the moderator please ban the IP of this individual. No other mainstream board would let stand this sort of behaviour.

I, also, would like to see "the war of words" come to an end but I doubt that a unilateral silence will achieve it.

Can you, or anyone, recall a harsh word about Maxim that wasn't written in response to a gratuitous provocation? I certainly don't. So, why do you ask the attacked to cease defensive actions? Should this space be made a sheltered-workshop for Maxim's loony attacks upon our community?

Is your name Maxim, by chance?

Could the moderator please ban the IP of this individual. No other mainstream board would let stand this sort of behaviour.

Calling someone a freak is abusive when it isn't appropriate. The description is apt in this instance. Need proof? Go to the archives.

Could the moderator please ban the IP of this individual. No other mainstream board would let stand this sort of behaviour.

I agree with your last comments anonymous. Unfortunately IMHO there is something going on below the surface that I don't quite understand. It appears our friend Peter is present thanks to Maxims comment. I also suspect his friends in Estonia are stirring the pot. I believe that the only way this is going to be solved is for EE to allow only registered user to comment . The person who mentioned blocking an IP address does not understand DHCP and WIFI connections to the internet. I wonder where was PLEASE when Estonian women were being insulted.

Could the moderator please ban the IP of this individual. No other mainstream board would let stand this sort of behaviour.

I for one am as sick of Anonymous' opinions as I am of Maxim's. They are really both as bad as each other! Anonymous deserves the same kind of treatment as he/she dishes out to Maxim. It's a pity this site has come to be known for the smallish group self-righteous bigots displaying the worst kind of narrow-mindedness imaginable in the free world. Yes please; let's get on with the business of peaceful living, and stop the accusations.

Why are you repeating yourself? Also, why don't you mention Maxim here? He is the one who ALWAYS starts the war. Can you point to even ONE exception?
Who are you anyway? Maxim, I'll bet! Why shouldn't we be allowed to answer your slurs and accusations? And its not just anonymous. Its just about everybody. Your only supporters are Peter and yourself writing under aliases.

Could the moderator please ban the IP of this individual. No other mainstream board would let stand this sort of behaviour.

Maxim believes that the Soviets liberated Estonia.
Anonymous believes that they occupied it.

YES PLEASE states that "I for one am as sick of Anonymous' opinions as I am of Maxim's. They are really both as bad as each other!"

If you see equivalence there, then you have a serious problem on your hands.

Could the moderator please contact or ban the IP of this individual. No other mainstream board would let stand this sort of behaviour.

Are you going to chew this cud forever?

Ditto.
I don' t think that this phantom Maxim is right, nor do I think you're right in viciously %@!#$& those opinions which rub against your own.
Boards like this are meant for the expression and debate of ideas not character assassination.
If that’s your agenda – take it elsewhere.
If Maxim really believes that the Soviets liberated Estonia, so be it.
If you think that the Hitler was going to include Estonia as part of the master race, so be it.
I welcome the debate but leave the ad hominem stuff in the school yard.
OK?

Maxim doesn't welcome debate. He forces himself upon us with a comment calculated to stir up our emotions; then, in the face of a predictable response, he cries, "character assassination."

Are you for real, or are you some sort of pre-prgrammed hate-bot sent to cause trouble from planet Lihuula?
You sound like my grandmother - if I ever wore anything 'red' I was to be 'kicked out of the family.'
It's 2006, my rage filled friend! Not 1944.

i like your grandmother !