“Occupation”: a Freudian slip or unintentional acknowledgement?
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Impartial judge01 Dec 2006 13:35
The USA lives with various different kinds of skeletons in its closet, largely because its own responses to historical events were wrong in the first place, and guilt sets in sooner or later. If the USA wanted it, then it could have had the Soviet troops our much easier than its embattled Iraqi fiasco has turned out to be. The US has always maintained a highly professional army to handle delicate political situations, but the push to punish Germany far outweighed the desire to correct wrongdoings further along in Eastern Europe. Fortunately for the US, all has ended pretty well for Eastern Europe, but it is not necessarily to the credit of the US. It all began in the Polish town of Gdansk, and radiated to places like Brandenburg, Budapest, Bucharest, Baltics...and with no small help from places such as Iceland, as the late Lennart Meri knew only too well. It pays to know ones history.
impartial judge??? Ho, ho, ho.01 Dec 2006 14:45
Maxim. You are a tedious nuisance. What you write here is so vague that it's virtually meaningless.

When are you going to launch your own blog? We can hardly wait.
EE_Lugejate lugeja02 Dec 2006 15:42
In the past Maxim has raised all these issues and more, as this article clearly shows. There is quite a good deal of homogenous thinking across the spectrum of ideas presented here, and we should be grateful for every individual contribution. We aren't in the final throws of ringing the death knell yet, as the ECC proves with every succeeding article it publishes.
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My mommy says you're not a very nice person, but I know you are.
Thank you, EKN,02 Dec 2006 05:44
Your account is informative and well-written; a pleasure to read. In response, you certainly don't deserve an explanation from Maxim telling you that he's the only one that really understands anything.
Toomas Merilo02 Dec 2006 19:38
As always, Laas’s arguments are clear and compelling. The document Laas is referring to is "The Baltic Region and Geopolitics" – a compilation of recently declassified SVR documents by SVR Major General Lev Sotskov.

The reader may get a better understanding of the degree to which this is pure and total propaganda by reading the following Interfax article:

http://www.interfax.com/17/216...

And believe me, it is propaganda.

As for [i]Impartial Judge (aka MAXIM)[i], what passes for a comment is confused and jumbled… which US historic decisions does he refer to? What “guilt” does he refer to? which Soviet troops? how could the US have gotten them out sooner and from were? And everything started in Gdansk??

It is all so hopelessly garbled and confused. And as icing on the cake, Maxim ends with “it pays to know ones [i](sic)[i] history”. How true Maxim… how true. Time for you to open a history text. Really.
Man to man talk03 Dec 2006 04:08
If you really knew your history, sir, then you would not have the slightest need to ask such simple-minded questions.
Man to dunce talk03 Dec 2006 09:05
Again, Maxim tells us that he knows the important facts but he wont tells us what they are.
Anonymous03 Dec 2006 10:02
The Allies do bear a large degree of guilt in that they did nothing -other than a symbolic act to not recognize the annexation - to protest the occupation.

The same goes for the Allied agreement to the "Stalin line" and the horrors that occured among the Polish and German populations in Eastern Poland. The expulsions of 25 million East European Germans from Hungary, Czech, Slovakia, former Yogoslavia, Upper and Lower Silesia, East and West Prussia and the rape of 80% of East European German women was well known by Eisenhower, who did nothing to stop this from happening.

The US were allied with Stalin. Eisenhower clearly did not object to the occupation, otherwise the allies would have attacked using the 2+ million captured German troops who were kept ready by Churchill.

Don't forget that for the West, Estonia was and still is an insignificant fleck on the fringe of Europe and Russia.
Mikk03 Dec 2006 10:11
I thought we were discussing the report, not hurling insults at someone who haven't posted in months.
Try and keep the posts on track despite temptations to post irrational abuse.
to Mikk03 Dec 2006 12:25
The EKN gives us a report on an aspect of Estonian history which is commendable in every respect.
Typically, Maxim is first in line in the commentary section to advertise himself as a know-it-all and imply that he is best qualified to compose such a report. In response, he is jeered at with justification.
Then, along comes Mikk to say that he thought we were discussing the Report.
Who are you Mikk?
EE_Lugejate lugeja03 Dec 2006 13:06
This is undoubtebly THE key comment that does total justice to itself, and is a perfectly legitimate response to the problem raised in a previous posting. If someone criticizes Anonymous' opinion, then we can take it that the critic knows almost nothing about history!
Mikk03 Dec 2006 14:07
Going around accusing every post that diverges from the extreme hard right as being Maxim comes off as a bit obsessive. Maybe you should talk to a professional about this problem.
Anonymous03 Dec 2006 20:19
I'm not clear as to how the referred article is pure propoganda. The author probably has an agenda but I'm not sure if its propoganda.

Is there another researcher who has looked into these documents? Are they available in English somewhere on the net?

Known history would suggest that the US and Brits DID in fact allow Stalin to stay in the Baltics: how else would you exlpain the 50 year occupation??

I'm sorry to say - but after reading some of your posts, I wouldn't conclude that you're an objective observer and far from an academic. I'm sure you understand if I question your statement.
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