I have had contact with the Administrator and have only good things to say about her. I have also seen her most effectively lead the parents committee at the Estonian Kindergarten years back.

I have also had contact with Rosie on more than one occasion on separate issues. I think she is a fantastic talent and person, but my experience has been less than stellar in the area of tact from her end.

Though I am strongly against the meddlesome petition that was set in motion, if one had been created in support of the Administrator, I would have been tempted to sign.

you are korrekt!
time to put together the petition to support the administarator
2 names for certain ... most interesting will be how many residents sign

The petition, and mention of starting addition ones, is a joke! Rosie and her camp are trying to make this into a popularity issue. Diverting the real issue - if one does not do their job, should they be able to stay on because they are popular?

As for support, it is difficult not to support the highly educated administrator and board.

Unfortunately, not all decisions made for the better of the organization will be POPULAR!

I, in fact, can have a rest from Rosie's signing. There are so many gifted Estonians and with all due respect, Rosie has sunk to the bottom of the barrel. Her self-righteous attitude is deplorable. Yes your Highness, I'm not impressed!

Moreover, I've had a number of people advise that they CANNOT remove their names from the petition, although they would like to.

Can the petition site please send out the information on how to remove a name? I certainly would remove my name!

As said in previous comments, let an arbitrator review the issue - and then let the final decision be made.

I extend my support to all of the Ehatare staff who are no doubt dealing with an incredibly stressful work environment due to Rosie and her camp.

I also expend my support to the Board of Directors, who have proved they are competent and diligent, even when it may not be popular.

What I am hearing from both sides are by-and-large testimonials… character witnesses whose collective relevance is dubious.

Sceptic # 2 wrote: [i]I have had contact with the Administrator and have only good things to say about her. I have also seen her most effectively lead the parents committee at the Estonian Kindergarten years back.[i] [Side comment: I know somebody who is a vice-president at a large firm, but the fact that he leads great meetings at a volunteer organization, I have worked with, doesn’t even tempt me to say, he is a great VP!)

Sceptic (#1) wrote: “I had no contact with the Administrator. Nonetheless, I was convinced that Ehatare is … well managed…”

Perhaps I should take the role of sceptic here and ask how, exactly, does this help me judge how good of a manager the administrator is?

On the flip side of the coin, how am I to use all the good things I’ve heard (and know about Rosie) to determine how good of an employee Rosie was overall?

The fact is I can’t… I simply am not privy to all of the relevant information.

A salient question is “Does Rosie’s termination meet the legal threshold required?”

Here again I don’t have an answer and neither do the vast majority (perhaps all) of the EE commentators. The optics of the situation, though, are really horrific for EAK and the administrator.

What is undisputed is that Rosie is loved by the residents (and admired by the vast majority of Esto society), clearly a disadvantage for the administrator.

This is why the situation must be resolved quickly. Delay will cost money. Lawyers cost money. Going to court will take years for resolution and the outcome will be a “throw of the dice.”

Going to arbitration is quicker and cheaper (and possibly less of a “throw of the dice”).

Right now many are outraged at EAK juhatus and the administrator… I am not sure if this is justified, but it is a fact.

Tell us, SP, how it is that you came to sign the petition supporting Rosie. Were you encouraged or, perhaps, pressured to do so at a choir practice?

What might the reason be, Sceptic, that you write anonymously? Fear of peer pressure?

Don't be afraid; Tarvo Toomes and many others aren't brave; we just aren't cowards.

I have taken a back seat in this forum as I have an obvious bias in this situation that some may or may not know about. However one can’t sit back when outrageous alegations and comments are flying about. There is no secret camp where supporters gather to rally and drink from the same Kool-Aid fountain, or at least none that I have been invited to. Certainly everyone has opinions on this but to suggest that one cannot formulate their own thoughts and decide on their own whether they want to sign a petition is ridiculous. Were most Canadians either encouraged or perhaps pressured into voting for a Conservative majority? NDP pressure on voters in Quebec must have been the case for their surprising result. I believe neither of the above outcomes were influenced by this nor would I ever be foolish enough to think the Estonian community can’t make their own decisions on similar matters. The community as a whole on what appears to have evolved into two sides all want the best outcome for the residents and I think that this has been clear from the outset. To suggest otherwise is again a poor reflection on everybodies values and our respect for our own parents and relatives that are residents at Ehatare.

To say I was encourage is true.

To say I was pressured (after receiving SEVERAL requests from Rosie's camp, knowing I was on the "to get" list if I didn't sign) is true.

To say that I was completely MISLEAD that this would be used to hurt, stress, badger and defame the staff of Ehatare and ERC board is VERY TRUE.

The petition should not be used to support what appears to be Rosie's real mandate, to get back at the people who put her in her place.

"The public relations campaign is an embarrassment to witness, focused as it is on Rosie's, rather than the residents' welfare".
Sceptic seems to have missed the fact that 81 out of 94 residents signed their own petition to have Rosie reinstated or are they not capable of deciding what's best for their own welfare? Secondly, the comments on the petition by non-residents are mostly testimonials to how important Rosie's efforts have been to the well being of elderly relatives. The directorship is remiss in giving no weight to the opinion of the residents and their families. Whom ARE they listening to in that case and why?

the board is rigged. noone who has an opposing view can get on the board. in fact, some individuals have been asked not to leave. they don't want roosi supporters joining

the administrator may be nice but she has had it in for roosi for years and has made her job very difficult. roosi in turn has not helped matters either

ehatare needs new staff and blood

I did not write this comment. Perhaps juhatus would like the readers to think there is a conspiracy amongst the commenters.

Noh, Eerik on tõeline härrasmees, kes oma arvamusi avaldades (oma nime all) ise sattus turm-tule alla ja “žentilmanina” on nüüd sunnitud sõna võtma.

Eerikul on õigus, et asi on delikaatne, eriti meie ühiskonnas. Asi on ka delikaatne, sest personaliküsimusi ei arutata ajakirjanduses.

Asi on nüüdseks isegi tehtud populaarsuse võistluseks, kaks kommentaatorit toetas MacFarlane-i poolt palvekirja [i](petition)[i] ning teine avaldas irooniliselt arvamuse, et jah kaks poolt ja ligi 500 vastu.

Siin ma lähen uuesti üle inglise keele peale.

Will nobody come to their senses?

Are you implying that everyone, including the sceptics, have lost their senses?

Sceptic has written 4 comments: [i]Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Sceptic (09:31), Sceptic (11:18), Sceptic (12:01), to Toomas Merilo (05:43).[i]

Sceptic #2 uses a different IP address.

Sceptic’s last question was [i]“Are you implying that everyone, including the sceptics, have lost their senses?”[i]

The short answer is “no.”

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This comment should never have been deleted by the juhatus. Did they delete it because it was critical of a friend of theirs?? Yes, the truth hurts. Many readers have thought Toomas' ascerbic comments were due to alcohol. Also note, ip addresses are noted when Toomas is involved with a rant.

This is by far the best comment regarding this whole frightful mess!

To: Sceptic (from a new IP address)

First off let me congratulate you for your reasoned comment.

Essentially, we share the view that the “whole truth is not out there” and neither should it be… let a mediator deal with that. Personnel issues should not become part of the public domain.

That being said, we don’t know what is going on behind the scenes. Is EAK just holding fast and waiting for things to go to court and let the chips fly where they may? Or have they considered and acted upon the view (apparently shared by all sides in our community) to pursue a less expensive alternative: mediation.

We’ll see.

I have tried to be impartial in this affair and my signing the petition should be viewed as support and concern for due process; not as taking sides.

And that also being said, my “acerbic” words in other posts are perhaps the result of years of sparring with Maxim and some others. If Sceptic is a friend of mine, I apologise. By the same token, she could have e-mailed be directly as the blue hued “Toomas Merilo” provides a direct link for e-mails to me.

The accusations that Sceptic has made against me (that thankfully were deleted, because I am an identifiable person) were incorrect, though perhaps understandable. While some members of the Women’s Temperance Union may disapprove of Metsaülikool, I am a supporter.

And finally, Sceptic, if your words were meant to hurt me, do feel complete and utter satisfaction, because they did… very deeply.

Nevertheless, I will continue to post under my real name. Don’t ask me why.

You received several phone calls pressuring you to sign the petition, "Ehatare needs Rosie!"
You eventually caved in and signed -- as you say -- to show impartiality.
I also received several calls and refused to take sides. I was then asked what I have against Rosie and told that the Administrator is an (expletive deleted).
If you must know, I'm on the side of the residents.

To: Sceptic

Again you presume to know something you don't.

I received no phone calls and I did not cave in.

I did, however, receive 7 different e-mails and thought I had signed the petition (having gone through "the motions") and to my surprise found my name not there.

So I signed again and that time it worked.

I'm glad you are for the residents. I believe people on "both sides" are.

and that is the right position.

Dare I ask, how signing the petition for Rosie establishes your impartiality?

Yes, Sceptic, ask by all means.

By the little that I was made aware of, I came (perhaps incorrectly) to the conclusion that something was amiss, that possibly a wrong had been done.

Hence, it seemed only right to support "due process" and some transparency.

That meant signing the petition.

Everything that is on my mind has already been openly said.
Where is the profit in a private chat between us -- for me, for you, or for anyone else?

To me. "openly said" does not count if you are hiding behing a pseudonym.

Phone the guy!

I just visited the Ehatare web-site and found a very interesting section in the nursing home section.
“Residents’ Council
The residents’ council meets every 3 months to discuss any concerns and to make suggestions. Family members and all residents are encouraged to attend. Meeting dates are posted on the residents’ bulletin board one week prior to the meeting. Concerns and suggestions are documented, investigated, and responded to in writing by the administrator of Ehatare within 21 days. Both minutes and responses are posted.”
I suppose if there were any issues with Rosie… they would have been brought up at these meetings and dealt with. I understand a meeting took place after Rosie was terminated – it would be interesting to know if the discussion of Rosie’s absence was be brought up. I am not sure who can get access to the posted minutes and responses… but again… will it show issues about Rosie and her ability to do her job? Will it show in any of the reports from all the years gone by any issue about Rosie? Perhaps someone who has the right to view these reports might like to take a look at them? Tell us… what do the residents think right now – after the last meeting where the minutes posted? Where their concerns addressed? Do they have questions about Rosie’s termination?
I do not believe there is a “residents council” for the retirement home since it does not appear to be mandated. Are their meetings? Are those questions and concerns posted? Are they dealt with? Anything negative about Rosie? I doubt it.
“Ehatare Watcher” asks why someone would want to air their employee and employer issue in the open. I can only think it is because they have nothing to fear. Why does Ehatare not want a mediator and deal with this issue expediently? Put an end to this endless speculation. That is truly the issue I wonder about. If they are so sure there was just cause they would be EAGER to prove themselves. I understand fully that they cannot speak openly on a forum like this…. That would leave them open to slander… but a mediator is truly an option that would once and for all end all this discussion.
As for the seniors, that is what most of us are concerned about. FEAR and UNCERTAINTY and SADNESS is not good for seniors. Yet, firing Rosie has caused all those emotions for the seniors IN Ehatare and those waiting on list to get in. They want to understand WHY?
Tell me, is Rosie the ONLY person who left or was fired for “unknown reasons?” Please ask your family members who live there or who want to live there how this uncertainty effectst them! Responsible Board members should deal with this swiftly and clear the air. If they are so certain no wrong was done to Rosie or others – then why postpone a mediator? Delay adversely affects the residents and the image of Ehatare.

Euthanasia basically operates on the same principle. Thanks to democracy it is possible (read enforcible!) to use the almost completely inadequately objective response from the 90+ range group who can be usurped of all rights with the sleight of a signature, but the loophole is protected with the fiercest of democratic reasons. It brings discredit the humanity, but who cares when the problems have reached such a critical stage for those with a personal interest in the outcome.