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Peeter,
Even though my generation is still fairly intact, I know what you are talking about. I remember when I was still a kid and attended all the Esto events with my parents. There are a lot of faces and names that were doing big and good things for the Estonian community. Today, you are lucky to see some of them with their children at Jõekääru, Seedrioru and Eesti Maja. I have always asked myself were have all these great people gone? Where are the 12 000 Esto people living in the GTA? One thing that does come out of your article is the hard work and %@!#$& of those who have taken the time and effort to assure that an Esto-Canadian community still exists today. My thanks goes out to them. Elagu Eesti!
Even though my generation is still fairly intact, I know what you are talking about. I remember when I was still a kid and attended all the Esto events with my parents. There are a lot of faces and names that were doing big and good things for the Estonian community. Today, you are lucky to see some of them with their children at Jõekääru, Seedrioru and Eesti Maja. I have always asked myself were have all these great people gone? Where are the 12 000 Esto people living in the GTA? One thing that does come out of your article is the hard work and %@!#$& of those who have taken the time and effort to assure that an Esto-Canadian community still exists today. My thanks goes out to them. Elagu Eesti!
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0Peeter,
Even though my generation is still fairly intact, I know what you are talking about. I remember when I was still a kid and attended all the Esto events with my parents. There are a lot of faces and names that were doing big and good things for the Estonian community. Today, you are lucky to see some of them with their children at Jõekääru, Seedrioru and Eesti Maja. I have always asked myself were have all these great people gone? Where are the 12 000 Esto people living in the GTA? One thing that does come out of your article is the hard work and %@!#$& of those who have taken the time and effort to assure that an Esto-Canadian community still exists today. My thanks goes out to them. Elagu Eesti!
Even though my generation is still fairly intact, I know what you are talking about. I remember when I was still a kid and attended all the Esto events with my parents. There are a lot of faces and names that were doing big and good things for the Estonian community. Today, you are lucky to see some of them with their children at Jõekääru, Seedrioru and Eesti Maja. I have always asked myself were have all these great people gone? Where are the 12 000 Esto people living in the GTA? One thing that does come out of your article is the hard work and %@!#$& of those who have taken the time and effort to assure that an Esto-Canadian community still exists today. My thanks goes out to them. Elagu Eesti!
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0Peeter Bush aitas mul meenutada minu enda Kevade jutu taolisi mälestusi Jõekääru suvekodust. Ma tundsin ka puudust oma suvekodu kaaslastest Jõekääru juubelipeol. Mulle meenuvad nimed Tracy Girolami, Tiina, Rein (ja vist Villi?) Lomax, Andrus Küng, Thomas Olvet, Toomas Palo, Urve Renée Attemann, Urve Voitk, ‘Mammu’ Marja-Leena Roos, Mollie Parum, Tiina Kiudorf, Raimond Leps, Andres Mell – ei tea kuhu nad kõik on jäänud. Soojad mälestused seiklustest ikka püsivad.
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0by chance was your name BUSCH and are you related to Anneli, Gustav, and Karin?
If yes why'd did you change the spelling?
If yes why'd did you change the spelling?
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0Yes, Gus and Karin are my brother and sister. Annilee is not related although I remember her.
My father changed our name. I was told it was originally Busch, then it became Puss (the estonian spelling)and he changed it back. I don't know if the English spelling was deliberate or not. Anyway, its not something I've thought much about.
Did you know us?
My father changed our name. I was told it was originally Busch, then it became Puss (the estonian spelling)and he changed it back. I don't know if the English spelling was deliberate or not. Anyway, its not something I've thought much about.
Did you know us?
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0There have been previous comments about the importance of language in the home and in the community. I remember one comment, where the writer was just itching to name names of people who speak in English with Esto friends, I believe even in front of their children, and then speak Estonian to their children at the same instance. What message are they sending to their children?
Is there anything we can do at a community level to remind people about the importance of speaking Estonian? What about on a one-on-one level? I think people want to speak Estonian, but we all get lazy every once in a while, and a reminder in an accepted way would probably be welcome.
Is there anything we can do at a community level to remind people about the importance of speaking Estonian? What about on a one-on-one level? I think people want to speak Estonian, but we all get lazy every once in a while, and a reminder in an accepted way would probably be welcome.
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0 People will not speak Estonian unless they are comfortable with the language which means that they speak it every day and it is a form of communication to them rather than just a hobby. Many Estonians only speak the language when at parties or visiting realtives. The lack of Estonian language education is another problem. Those who are educated in English will always feel more comfortable speaking that language than Estonian.
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0Peter,
I agree that daily practice is very important. We ask that our child to ALWAYS speak Estonian when at Estonian functions (social, school, cubs, laagerid etc) and also ask that those who speak with our child to do so in Estonian (even other cubs, and school mates not to mention realtives). He has no problem in complying (in fact he enjoys it). When we go to the store or drop off/pickup from playdates or Anglo school he always speaks to us in Estonian and will then turn to his schoolmate or teacher and speak to them in English.
Peter, what's wrong with being educated in more than one language? Are you just trying to prove a point that a commune or Estonian ashram needs to be created to ensure a "pure" Estonian culture exists in Canada? I've read that you also advocate a full-time Estonian school for the same purpose.
Excuse me for asking, but are you crocked???
The funding and commitment doesn't exist for support for the schools, camps and other functions why would a commune or "ashram" work.
Peeter Bush - sorry no don't I don't recall you from Seedrioru. I happened to reading the Seedrioru 1955 - 1980 album and saw the names under Busch and had recently read one of your articles. This one is the best so far. What year did you and your siblings go there?
I agree that daily practice is very important. We ask that our child to ALWAYS speak Estonian when at Estonian functions (social, school, cubs, laagerid etc) and also ask that those who speak with our child to do so in Estonian (even other cubs, and school mates not to mention realtives). He has no problem in complying (in fact he enjoys it). When we go to the store or drop off/pickup from playdates or Anglo school he always speaks to us in Estonian and will then turn to his schoolmate or teacher and speak to them in English.
Peter, what's wrong with being educated in more than one language? Are you just trying to prove a point that a commune or Estonian ashram needs to be created to ensure a "pure" Estonian culture exists in Canada? I've read that you also advocate a full-time Estonian school for the same purpose.
Excuse me for asking, but are you crocked???
The funding and commitment doesn't exist for support for the schools, camps and other functions why would a commune or "ashram" work.
Peeter Bush - sorry no don't I don't recall you from Seedrioru. I happened to reading the Seedrioru 1955 - 1980 album and saw the names under Busch and had recently read one of your articles. This one is the best so far. What year did you and your siblings go there?
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0I was involved with Seedrioru in one capacity or other from when it opened in about 1955 or so until I went off to university in 1965. I'm the oldest child. Almost everyone in Hamilton knew us at least up to the late 70's when my parents moved to the Peterborough area.
If you want more info send me an email.
Peeter
If you want more info send me an email.
Peeter
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0To Anonymous,
I have never said that there is anything wrong with education in 2 languages, that is exactly my point. My education here was in 1 language, English. Children who are of Estonian descent should have the opportunity of receiving an education in their ancestral language, not just once a week night school.
I have also never advocated the creation of a commune or ashram, I am just saying that if we had more communities here where Estonian was the everyday spoken language then our culture would have a much better chance of surviving. By the way, such a community exists here in Toronto, Eesti Kodu is a good example.
In do give you credit for passing on the language to your child, in this way you are an example for our whole community.
And last, I am not claiming to be an original thinker in any way whatsoever. I am simply advocating ideas that have been thought up by others and discussed for many decades.
I have never said that there is anything wrong with education in 2 languages, that is exactly my point. My education here was in 1 language, English. Children who are of Estonian descent should have the opportunity of receiving an education in their ancestral language, not just once a week night school.
I have also never advocated the creation of a commune or ashram, I am just saying that if we had more communities here where Estonian was the everyday spoken language then our culture would have a much better chance of surviving. By the way, such a community exists here in Toronto, Eesti Kodu is a good example.
In do give you credit for passing on the language to your child, in this way you are an example for our whole community.
And last, I am not claiming to be an original thinker in any way whatsoever. I am simply advocating ideas that have been thought up by others and discussed for many decades.
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0Peter,
So what's keeping you from booking into Eesti Kodu? It's got everything you seem to need.
You still don't seem to understand. (or I don't) Where is the funding going to come from???? I figure your plan would drain the funds from Siht Kapital in a few years and then what? No more subsidizing Jôekääru or Seedrioru, Eesti Kool etc. Where would be then?
By being brought up in two languages I'm referring to what language is spoken in the home. Sure I speak English with some of my friends at Eesti Maja many of us do. Perhaps I'm being a hypocrite because I only speak and expect to be spoken to in Estonian by my child.
So what's keeping you from booking into Eesti Kodu? It's got everything you seem to need.
You still don't seem to understand. (or I don't) Where is the funding going to come from???? I figure your plan would drain the funds from Siht Kapital in a few years and then what? No more subsidizing Jôekääru or Seedrioru, Eesti Kool etc. Where would be then?
By being brought up in two languages I'm referring to what language is spoken in the home. Sure I speak English with some of my friends at Eesti Maja many of us do. Perhaps I'm being a hypocrite because I only speak and expect to be spoken to in Estonian by my child.
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0What if you made a conscious effort to speak Estonian to your friends? You are teaching your child, that it is okay to speak English with their friends. They pick up on such subtle cues...
I'm sorry, but speaking in English with other Estonian speaking Estos is pure laziness. Break the habit and set an example for not only your children, but for other people's children who happen to hear you.
As a parent, I find it extremely frustrating. If it was socially acceptable, I would smack you sideways right there at the Esto house (for speaking English to Esto friends). Since it is not, I can at least make my thoughts known to you anonymously on the comments pages of EE.
I'm sorry, but speaking in English with other Estonian speaking Estos is pure laziness. Break the habit and set an example for not only your children, but for other people's children who happen to hear you.
As a parent, I find it extremely frustrating. If it was socially acceptable, I would smack you sideways right there at the Esto house (for speaking English to Esto friends). Since it is not, I can at least make my thoughts known to you anonymously on the comments pages of EE.
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0Sorry, Anonymous, but you have to try harder to speak Esto with your friends at the Esto house (unless of course they don't speak Esto) - At least in front of the kids.
If it is only something that is expected of them, then they will, eventually, as they get to be young adults, switch to speaking English with you. (I've seen it happen) You have to show them that it's something you believe in enough to actually do yourself too.
It's like telling your kids that drinking is bad, while sipping a martini.
If it is only something that is expected of them, then they will, eventually, as they get to be young adults, switch to speaking English with you. (I've seen it happen) You have to show them that it's something you believe in enough to actually do yourself too.
It's like telling your kids that drinking is bad, while sipping a martini.
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0Oh I see it is reprehensible if I speak English with my friends (although I speak Estonian with my child)and get lambasted by the "hardcore".
So what is it when the TEüP pres and his wife allow their kids to speak to them in English? (heavens forbid if the parents responded in English)
So what is it when the TEüP pres and his wife allow their kids to speak to them in English? (heavens forbid if the parents responded in English)
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0...you just don't get, it do you? So if the prez does it, then that makes it okay for you to do it too. Good logic.
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0You said yourself that it's hypocritical.
I’ve been around long enough to see the now 20 – 30 year-olds come of age and see how their language skills have either remained or been almost lost.
The other thing is, that it’s good to practice the language, ourselves, with our friends. Eventually, it becomes natural. I’m in my 40s and believe me, it would be easier for me to speak English with my friends, but I try to speak Esto for all of the above reasons. (and I do say TRY – I’m not perfect either!!)
As for your comment regarding the TEÜP pres & his family – How does that saying go… Let he who is without sin, cast the last stone. (or something like that)
Naming names – NOT NICE!!
I’ve been around long enough to see the now 20 – 30 year-olds come of age and see how their language skills have either remained or been almost lost.
The other thing is, that it’s good to practice the language, ourselves, with our friends. Eventually, it becomes natural. I’m in my 40s and believe me, it would be easier for me to speak English with my friends, but I try to speak Esto for all of the above reasons. (and I do say TRY – I’m not perfect either!!)
As for your comment regarding the TEÜP pres & his family – How does that saying go… Let he who is without sin, cast the last stone. (or something like that)
Naming names – NOT NICE!!
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0Anonymous,
I am just saying that our community should do more to make sure that our young people can not just speak Estonian but speak it well. It's great that you demand that Estonian be spoken in your home and you will be thanked for it someday but many of us do not speak Estonian regularly and also do not speak the language well. Words and grammar can only be aquired through education. I know that some members of our community are now learning Estonian from their grandparents. These people are doing a great job but those of the pre-war generation won't be around forever. Some have brought au pairs over from Estonia but not everyone can afford that kind of thing. Many people prefer to speak English because they lack the vocabulary needed to speak Estonian well and are embarassed when they make mistakes. If their education has been in English only then they will always struggle with Estonian and it is very unlikely that they will pass the language on to their children.
I am just saying that our community should do more to make sure that our young people can not just speak Estonian but speak it well. It's great that you demand that Estonian be spoken in your home and you will be thanked for it someday but many of us do not speak Estonian regularly and also do not speak the language well. Words and grammar can only be aquired through education. I know that some members of our community are now learning Estonian from their grandparents. These people are doing a great job but those of the pre-war generation won't be around forever. Some have brought au pairs over from Estonia but not everyone can afford that kind of thing. Many people prefer to speak English because they lack the vocabulary needed to speak Estonian well and are embarassed when they make mistakes. If their education has been in English only then they will always struggle with Estonian and it is very unlikely that they will pass the language on to their children.
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0Tips for learning / retaining Estonian language abroad:
- Speaking Esto with your kids is the first, and most important step.
- NEVER criticize or laugh at errors, but correct them using a sentence with the correct word / Kääne or whatever.
- Read Esto books, newspapers, magazines, internet sites ... (people in very remote areas of the world have managed to retain their language skills, with no other Estos around, through literature)
- Send your kids to Esto school, Guides / Scouts & summer camps (at least to camps, if the others are not close enough)
- Keep trying, be patient & don't give up!
- Speaking Esto with your kids is the first, and most important step.
- NEVER criticize or laugh at errors, but correct them using a sentence with the correct word / Kääne or whatever.
- Read Esto books, newspapers, magazines, internet sites ... (people in very remote areas of the world have managed to retain their language skills, with no other Estos around, through literature)
- Send your kids to Esto school, Guides / Scouts & summer camps (at least to camps, if the others are not close enough)
- Keep trying, be patient & don't give up!
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0Peter,
We don't "demand" Estonian spoken at home we encourage it and make it fun. I'd like to think we're following EstoKannuk's recommendations. You on the other hand are advocating that we become language "nazis" within a commune like setting. Perhaps that's one reason why you never appreciated your education of the Estonian language. Stop pontificating YOUR position, it's old it's tired it's weak and to quote a previous poster ... are you crocked?
My children have been able to benefit from an Au Pair and NO we couldn't afford it and we live in a bungalow so the quarters were cramped.
We don't "demand" Estonian spoken at home we encourage it and make it fun. I'd like to think we're following EstoKannuk's recommendations. You on the other hand are advocating that we become language "nazis" within a commune like setting. Perhaps that's one reason why you never appreciated your education of the Estonian language. Stop pontificating YOUR position, it's old it's tired it's weak and to quote a previous poster ... are you crocked?
My children have been able to benefit from an Au Pair and NO we couldn't afford it and we live in a bungalow so the quarters were cramped.
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0We already have a commune...it's called Estonia.
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0hämmastav lugeda kuidas selline pikk arutelu keelepruugi suhtes võib kulgeda ilma, et ükski võtaks vaevaks pingutada väljendamaks end eesti keeles. keelte valdkonnas on eriti kohane vanasõna 'harjutamine teeb meistriks'. alguses ebamugav ja piirav küll, kuid proovi enesest üle saada ja küll see keeleke tuleb ajapikku suhu kah.
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0Arutelu toimub inglis-keeles, kuna artikkel oli ingliskeelne.
Heameelega kirjutan Eesti keeles, kuid, järsku mõni arutelus osaleja ei saa siis aru. ;^(
Heameelega kirjutan Eesti keeles, kuid, järsku mõni arutelus osaleja ei saa siis aru. ;^(
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0Ma olen juba pikka aega sellist kommentaari oodanud...kus sa (siin vist käib anonüümselt sinatamisega)varem old? Ehk 'sulg magas suvel paadi all'?
Minul pole muud vabandust, kui et mu sarnastele eesti keelsetele kommentaaridele ei tulnud järelkommentaare. Kartsin, et ei ole huvi Eesti asja vastu. Kuna tahtsin minu arust olulistest asjadest arutada, proovisin inglise keeles ja vaata! Kommentaare kui palju...Loodan, et inimesed võtavad oma julguse kokku ja see tulevikus läheb eesti keele peale, aga praegu inimesed liiga häbenevad oma keelevigu. Vat nii!
Minul pole muud vabandust, kui et mu sarnastele eesti keelsetele kommentaaridele ei tulnud järelkommentaare. Kartsin, et ei ole huvi Eesti asja vastu. Kuna tahtsin minu arust olulistest asjadest arutada, proovisin inglise keeles ja vaata! Kommentaare kui palju...Loodan, et inimesed võtavad oma julguse kokku ja see tulevikus läheb eesti keele peale, aga praegu inimesed liiga häbenevad oma keelevigu. Vat nii!
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0Sinu kommentaari lugedes jäin mõtlema, et inimene oma sõnavaliku ja kirja stiiliga reedab küllaltki palju informatsiooni enda kohta, olgu küll anonüümselt. Näiteks: sa kirjutasid laused ilma suure algustäheta. Selletõttu järeldan, et sa ei ole pensionär, kes rangelt hoiab kirjareeglitest kinni. Kasutad maks-vormi, mida väliseestlastel vähem kombeks on, nii et pean sind ‘kodueestlaseks’ (maainimene ka ei kasutaks seda vähe kasutatud ja mõne arust eputamisele kalduvat vormi).
Samuti väljendused ‘proovi enesest üle saada’ ja ‘ajapikku’ kasutatakse Kanadas vähem nii vanemate kui ka nooremate eestlaste seas.
Ja sugu? Arvan naine. Naised kalduvad nõu andma oma kommentaarides.
Vanadus? Kui oled Kanadas elav kodueestlane, siis arvan 30-50 vahel, kui elad Eestis, siis võid ka noorem olla. Toon on sul natukene üleolev (‘keelte valdkonnas on eriti kohane vanasõna’ ja ‘proovi enesest üle saada’), mis võib ka nooremale vähem elukogenud inimesele kuuluda.
Noh? Kas panin mööda? ;>
Samuti väljendused ‘proovi enesest üle saada’ ja ‘ajapikku’ kasutatakse Kanadas vähem nii vanemate kui ka nooremate eestlaste seas.
Ja sugu? Arvan naine. Naised kalduvad nõu andma oma kommentaarides.
Vanadus? Kui oled Kanadas elav kodueestlane, siis arvan 30-50 vahel, kui elad Eestis, siis võid ka noorem olla. Toon on sul natukene üleolev (‘keelte valdkonnas on eriti kohane vanasõna’ ja ‘proovi enesest üle saada’), mis võib ka nooremale vähem elukogenud inimesele kuuluda.
Noh? Kas panin mööda? ;>
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0Väga huvitav analüüs!
Ma arvan, et vanem mees, sest suuri tähti ei kasutanud.
Ma arvan, et vanem mees, sest suuri tähti ei kasutanud.
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0ajan oma juttu siis edasi eesti keeles sest minul on trenni küll vaja.
usun, et on 2 põhi sammast seotud meie lähikonna elushoidmisega: leht (e- ja pabervormis) ja maja:
1. info levi toimuva kohta toimub põhiliselt "Eesti Elu" näol. Paljud nooremad - allakirjutanu kaasaarvatud kuni paar aastat tagasi - lootsid oma emmede ja isside peale info saamiseks häppeningude suhtes. Emmed ja issid on vanad või kadunud ja nii ei saa lapsepõlve semud, kes niigi on eemale vajunud, enam inffi isegi selliste vähe-nõudlike ürituste kohta nagu oli see panga pidu. Suureks huvi tärkajaks oleks, et lehte eemale vajunud kodudesse saata (kelle kulul...? kasvõi aastaks, prooviks...?) kus esialgu vaadatakse vaid pilte, kui sedagi, kuid ajapikku lähevad ka mõned lühemad lood ja sündmuste kalender korda kui formaadiga jõutakse ära harjuda.
2. toronto lähiste eestlaste kohtinguteks on esmatähtsuses Eesti Maja. Lastelaagrid jms alad on boonuseks. Kui Eesti Maja lasta minna, siis on meie lähikonnas ka süda välja lõigat. Vaatan, et Eesti Majja hakkab elu tagasi voogama ning usun, et see vaid tänu Eestist tulnud eestlastele. Meie omapead oleksime hajumise piiril veel rohkemgi ilma selle taastava süstita.
Kui need inimesed kes kuhugi "kadunud" hellitavad kusagil südamesopis sooje tundeid nagu hr. Bush/Busch oma lapse-etno-põlve vastu, siis on nad alati teretulnud olgu mistahes keel suus. Pea asi, et nad teada saavad (leht) kus nad alati teretulnud (e.maja).
usun, et on 2 põhi sammast seotud meie lähikonna elushoidmisega: leht (e- ja pabervormis) ja maja:
1. info levi toimuva kohta toimub põhiliselt "Eesti Elu" näol. Paljud nooremad - allakirjutanu kaasaarvatud kuni paar aastat tagasi - lootsid oma emmede ja isside peale info saamiseks häppeningude suhtes. Emmed ja issid on vanad või kadunud ja nii ei saa lapsepõlve semud, kes niigi on eemale vajunud, enam inffi isegi selliste vähe-nõudlike ürituste kohta nagu oli see panga pidu. Suureks huvi tärkajaks oleks, et lehte eemale vajunud kodudesse saata (kelle kulul...? kasvõi aastaks, prooviks...?) kus esialgu vaadatakse vaid pilte, kui sedagi, kuid ajapikku lähevad ka mõned lühemad lood ja sündmuste kalender korda kui formaadiga jõutakse ära harjuda.
2. toronto lähiste eestlaste kohtinguteks on esmatähtsuses Eesti Maja. Lastelaagrid jms alad on boonuseks. Kui Eesti Maja lasta minna, siis on meie lähikonnas ka süda välja lõigat. Vaatan, et Eesti Majja hakkab elu tagasi voogama ning usun, et see vaid tänu Eestist tulnud eestlastele. Meie omapead oleksime hajumise piiril veel rohkemgi ilma selle taastava süstita.
Kui need inimesed kes kuhugi "kadunud" hellitavad kusagil südamesopis sooje tundeid nagu hr. Bush/Busch oma lapse-etno-põlve vastu, siis on nad alati teretulnud olgu mistahes keel suus. Pea asi, et nad teada saavad (leht) kus nad alati teretulnud (e.maja).
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0 See oli küll huvitav kommentaar, kas see kes tahab oma keelt ja kultuuri siin Kanadas elus hoida (juhul kui ta ei ole inglane või prantslane) on fashist? Kas Eesti on see ainuke koht kus saab eesti keelt rääkida? Inglise keelt räägitakse ka väljaspool Inglismaad. Ma isegi ei ole nimetanud anglosi keelenatsideks külgi nende keelepoliitika siin Kanadas oli rangem kui Kolmanda Riigi või Nõukogude Liidu oma.
Jah, see on küll sobivam rääkida sellel teemal eesti keeles, artikkel oli inglise keeles ja ma ei tea kas kõik kes seda loevad saavad eesti keelest aru.
Jah, see on küll sobivam rääkida sellel teemal eesti keeles, artikkel oli inglise keeles ja ma ei tea kas kõik kes seda loevad saavad eesti keelest aru.
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0Peter,
I guess YOU"VE lost a lot in the translation. One is not a facist for trying to carry on the traditions but rather HOW you advocate the community conduct itself. You've got pleanty of ideas for someone else to carry out (and pay for). Sure an Estonian day school is great idea but from a current financial standpoint unattainable, unless your idea of as some else callled it a "commune" or even an "esto ghetto" like a part of East York or Scarborough used to be where a number of estos lived to make an all Estonian school feasible.
I'd also add my two comments in stating that you carry yourself off as an Eesti snob. Of course no-one is going to take heed of your suggestions, you may listen but you sure don't pay attention to what is said.
I guess YOU"VE lost a lot in the translation. One is not a facist for trying to carry on the traditions but rather HOW you advocate the community conduct itself. You've got pleanty of ideas for someone else to carry out (and pay for). Sure an Estonian day school is great idea but from a current financial standpoint unattainable, unless your idea of as some else callled it a "commune" or even an "esto ghetto" like a part of East York or Scarborough used to be where a number of estos lived to make an all Estonian school feasible.
I'd also add my two comments in stating that you carry yourself off as an Eesti snob. Of course no-one is going to take heed of your suggestions, you may listen but you sure don't pay attention to what is said.
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