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Now our leaders tear down monuments to our murdered soldier heros in Lihula, but erect monuments to Jewish suffering in Estonia!! Jews are the only people that are allowed to remember their 5.3 million killed, but Stalins 62 million victims must be forgotten and remain so.
The holocaust must remain as the worst crime ever, against humanity.
Here are some interesting links :
USSR:
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkil...
Nazi Germany:
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkil...
Truth is tough!!!
The holocaust must remain as the worst crime ever, against humanity.
Here are some interesting links :
USSR:
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkil...
Nazi Germany:
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkil...
Truth is tough!!!
with auschwitz historians now agreeing that approx 1 - 1.5 million perished there via - starvation, overwork, disease, murder ... the numerical enormity of that holocaust has been somewhat reduced
Wasn't anyone gassed to death at Auschwitz?
Which "Auschwitz historians" are you talking about?
Which "Auschwitz historians" are you talking about?
from www.auschwitz.org.pl
Historians estimate that among the people sent to Auschwitz there were at least 1,100,000 Jews from all the countries of occupied Europe, over 140,000 Poles (mostly political prisoners), approximately 20,000 Gypsies from several European countries, over 10,000 Soviet prisoners of war, and over ten thousand prisoners of other nationalities. The majority of the Jewish deportees died in the gas chambers immediately after arrival.
III. THE NUMBER OF VICTIMS
The overall number of victims of Auschwitz in the years 1940-1945 is estimated at between 1,100,000 and 1,500,000 people. The majority of them, and above all the mass transports of Jews who arrived beginning in 1942, died in the gas chambers.
See also :
* The Establishment of the Camp
Historians estimate that among the people sent to Auschwitz there were at least 1,100,000 Jews from all the countries of occupied Europe, over 140,000 Poles (mostly political prisoners), approximately 20,000 Gypsies from several European countries, over 10,000 Soviet prisoners of war, and over ten thousand prisoners of other nationalities. The majority of the Jewish deportees died in the gas chambers immediately after arrival.
III. THE NUMBER OF VICTIMS
The overall number of victims of Auschwitz in the years 1940-1945 is estimated at between 1,100,000 and 1,500,000 people. The majority of them, and above all the mass transports of Jews who arrived beginning in 1942, died in the gas chambers.
See also :
* The Establishment of the Camp
The Carleton Student's in Ottawa got it right in 1999
http://www.carleton.ca/Capital...
but now it is 2006
http://www.cjnews.com/viewarti...
http://www.carleton.ca/Capital...
but now it is 2006
http://www.cjnews.com/viewarti...
Except for the fact that some survivors of the holocaust eventually made their way to Canada, there is no connection between this nation and that horrible episode in history. Without a doubt, it's something that should not be forgotten and, for that, we already have libraries and universities.
A museum which focuses primarily or exclusively on the holocaust, in and of itself, tends to trivialize other historical attempts at genocide.
The Nazis managed to kill 90% of European Jews during WWII. By contrast, Cambodian communists "only" managed to kill 17% of Cambodians. Does this place them into a different moral category? I think not. If I'm wrong, I'd certainly like to know why.
With that, I'm not inviting dialogue with nazis or communists who are rightfully shunned as the lunatics that they are.
A museum which focuses primarily or exclusively on the holocaust, in and of itself, tends to trivialize other historical attempts at genocide.
The Nazis managed to kill 90% of European Jews during WWII. By contrast, Cambodian communists "only" managed to kill 17% of Cambodians. Does this place them into a different moral category? I think not. If I'm wrong, I'd certainly like to know why.
With that, I'm not inviting dialogue with nazis or communists who are rightfully shunned as the lunatics that they are.
Although few details of the liberation of Auschwitz were given in the British press at the time, it had gained a reputation as the worst of the German concentration camps.
On 8 May 1945 a State commission compiled by the Soviets with advice from Polish, French and Czechoslovak experts revealed the full horror of conditions at the camp.
Nearly 3,000 survivors of various nationalities were questioned and on the basis of their evidence the report estimated 4,000,000 people had perished there between 1941 and early 1945.
The dead included citizens from the Soviet Union, Poland, France, Belgium, Holland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Hungary, Italy and Greece.
The commission, which had previously investigated conditions at Majdanek, Treblinka and other camps, described Auschwitz as the worst in its experience.
It found evidence of experiments carried out on humans "of a revolting character".
According to the evidence, the commission said the Germans had moved out up to 60,000 inmates - those still fit enough to walk - when they retreated. The few thousand who were left behind were freed by the Russians.
They also found seven tons of women's hair, human teeth, from which gold fillings had been extracted and tens of thousands of children's outfits.
The final death toll was later revised downwards to between 1 and 1.5 million, including 800,000 Jews.
On 8 May 1945 a State commission compiled by the Soviets with advice from Polish, French and Czechoslovak experts revealed the full horror of conditions at the camp.
Nearly 3,000 survivors of various nationalities were questioned and on the basis of their evidence the report estimated 4,000,000 people had perished there between 1941 and early 1945.
The dead included citizens from the Soviet Union, Poland, France, Belgium, Holland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Hungary, Italy and Greece.
The commission, which had previously investigated conditions at Majdanek, Treblinka and other camps, described Auschwitz as the worst in its experience.
It found evidence of experiments carried out on humans "of a revolting character".
According to the evidence, the commission said the Germans had moved out up to 60,000 inmates - those still fit enough to walk - when they retreated. The few thousand who were left behind were freed by the Russians.
They also found seven tons of women's hair, human teeth, from which gold fillings had been extracted and tens of thousands of children's outfits.
The final death toll was later revised downwards to between 1 and 1.5 million, including 800,000 Jews.
Is EKN willing to tell us whether it is one of the 43 organizations that make up CGM? Its odd that this fact was omitted in the article.
Seems as though Estonian anti-Semitism is still alive and kicking, judging by the current round of correspondence. I appreciate some attention to Estonian national traits, but one of the worst must surely be the all-out effort to convince the world that Estonians wearing a German uniform actually misrepresented their broader goals-they just wanted to fight for Estonian independence! Yeah sure-and that argument has really got us a long way towards a solution, hasn't it folks.
where is the 'antisemitism' ? ... please be specific
I believe Maxim is back under a new name. Time of post, style and the - sign between words give you away Maxim. I am sure you will deny . Nice try. Just can't stay away can you.
good catch ... the incomprehensible writing style with broad unsubstaniated generalities are somewhat remeniscent of that diehard communist
I agree that it smells like Maxim. Not only from the writing-style and vague generalizations, but also from the desire to "get our goat", as if he has a legitimate grudge against us.
The poor s.o.b., Maxim, has a handicap -- he doesn't realise that a stupid person can't write as if he were intelligent, while an intelligent person can indeed write as if he were stupid.
Maxim -- get on with your life. Get a job. Get married. Have children. You've made it to the promised land. Now, live it and enjoy it. Don't waste your time razzing us who have failed to share your vision.
If you were happy in Estonia, you'd forget about us. But I suspect that you're as miserable in Estonia as you were in Canada, probably, because no one can appreciate your messianic genius.
Those Estonians, just like the Canadians, would love to whack some snot out of you, then put you on a flight to somewhere else -- Iran might be about right.
The poor s.o.b., Maxim, has a handicap -- he doesn't realise that a stupid person can't write as if he were intelligent, while an intelligent person can indeed write as if he were stupid.
Maxim -- get on with your life. Get a job. Get married. Have children. You've made it to the promised land. Now, live it and enjoy it. Don't waste your time razzing us who have failed to share your vision.
If you were happy in Estonia, you'd forget about us. But I suspect that you're as miserable in Estonia as you were in Canada, probably, because no one can appreciate your messianic genius.
Those Estonians, just like the Canadians, would love to whack some snot out of you, then put you on a flight to somewhere else -- Iran might be about right.
To all our friendly Holocaust deniers-it's worth taking note that at least one brave soul in Pärnu stood outside the former Pärnu synagogue on January 27th, and took a stand against murderers and rapists who evidently had a field day during the days of the Holocaust in Estonia. I applaude this woman's bravery, and unlike many Estonian patriots, view with complete disgust the denial of one of our chapters of Estonian history.
nobody is denying anything ... lets just clarify exactly what we all need to talk about so reverantly so that we don't get jailed ... maybe the coming conference in tehran will help
How would CGM possibly risk being accused of anti-semitism by noting that the museum intends to focus attention on the horrors suffered by European Jews?
I wish EKN would either stick to the Estonian language pages or hire someone that is competent in English. This is not the first time this has been brought to their attention.
This mangling of the English language detracts from their message and causes many of us embarrasment. Quite frankly I am not clear as to what the message in this article is supposed to be.
Surely with the passing of over half a century our self styled community leaders have progressed beyond the stage of writing with a mindset and literary English language skills more appropriate to recent embittered immigrants.
While EKN writes about the need for delicacy and circumspection they should have published this article at a more appropriate time.
The article can be read as trivializing the Holocaust through petty squabling over floor space and prominence. This was neither the time or place.
I wish EKN would either stick to the Estonian language pages or hire someone that is competent in English. This is not the first time this has been brought to their attention.
This mangling of the English language detracts from their message and causes many of us embarrasment. Quite frankly I am not clear as to what the message in this article is supposed to be.
Surely with the passing of over half a century our self styled community leaders have progressed beyond the stage of writing with a mindset and literary English language skills more appropriate to recent embittered immigrants.
While EKN writes about the need for delicacy and circumspection they should have published this article at a more appropriate time.
The article can be read as trivializing the Holocaust through petty squabling over floor space and prominence. This was neither the time or place.
I agree!
Thank you for broaching a prickly issue with staight-forward honesty.
Thank you for broaching a prickly issue with staight-forward honesty.
My psychotherapist told me to vent my spleen and not keep my pent-up anger to myself. After reading the article again I realize that the Estonian Central Council cannot be accused of anti-semitims. I apologize for insinuating otherwise.
Nowhere in the above postings does there appear to be any specific mention of EKN being anti-semitic so your imagination or memory must be playing tricks on you.
EKN may be insensitive, out of touch with current realities, have problems expressing themselves in English, particularly in those articles not naming an individual author, but I don't recall or see anyone accusing them of being anti-semitic.
Perhaps its time to visit your professional care giver again or possibly get your eyes checked out.
EKN may be insensitive, out of touch with current realities, have problems expressing themselves in English, particularly in those articles not naming an individual author, but I don't recall or see anyone accusing them of being anti-semitic.
Perhaps its time to visit your professional care giver again or possibly get your eyes checked out.
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