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I read that post and understood it as intended. No one responded on it, so there appears to be no need for an apology or further explanation. It's decent of you to try to be decent though.
Like others, I'm simply mystified and appalled by Maxim's behavior here. I don't know what he is trying to accomplish but the result is consistent: he always makes a fool of himself with manic tenacity. That he believes that he has one critic among an adoring mob of loyal fans makes me doubt his sanity. It's an embarrassing thing to witness.
Like others, I'm simply mystified and appalled by Maxim's behavior here. I don't know what he is trying to accomplish but the result is consistent: he always makes a fool of himself with manic tenacity. That he believes that he has one critic among an adoring mob of loyal fans makes me doubt his sanity. It's an embarrassing thing to witness.
I have collected more than enough evidence from postings made during the past six months to note that it is ONLY when I write under the name "Maxim" are the responses cruel and harsh. This strongly suggests a highly distorted anti-Russian mentality continuing in the younger generation. Never have I praised Soviet occupation, but wherever possible those words and intentions have been clearly put into my mouth; but more worrying has been the "seizure of hate" that springs from a desire to express anti-Russian feelings at "Maxim". And I don't think that anti-Russian attitude should come as any surprise to readers of these exchanges. However, it makes me even more aware how intolerant some of you can be, when in Estonia coming to terms with Soviet Occupation has taken a much more humane route than some of you could ever imagine. And to think you live in a multicultural society-it really makes one wonder sometimes.
Maxim's sense of self-importance combined with his inability to express himself made me think that he was someone stuck in his teens.
I was stunned when someone said that he was born in 1939. Could it be true?
I was stunned when someone said that he was born in 1939. Could it be true?
How old are you Maxim?
When did a balanced view of history . . . or anything for that matter . . . become criminal?
Please . . . stop treating this forum as a school-yard. It's getting old and franky its becoming embarassing.
Please . . . stop treating this forum as a school-yard. It's getting old and franky its becoming embarassing.
Are you saying that we should keep quiet while we reverently listen to whatever it is that's on Maxim's muddled mind?
For your information, Jaak, this space is for comments on the specific article printed above it. Yet, this week, like every week, Maxim takes possession of it with an outrageous provocation and gnaws it with the single-minded determination of a dog with a bone.
For your information, Jaak, this space is for comments on the specific article printed above it. Yet, this week, like every week, Maxim takes possession of it with an outrageous provocation and gnaws it with the single-minded determination of a dog with a bone.
Take a look in the mirror.
This is a place for expressing opinions and ideas on issues, not ad hominem attacks.
At least Maxim expresses his thoughts on the subjects - right or wrong, left or right.
You, sir or madam, articulate very effectively the maniacal dogma that rots the core of our small community: hatred of intellectual debate and a fear of progressive thought.
This is a place for expressing opinions and ideas on issues, not ad hominem attacks.
At least Maxim expresses his thoughts on the subjects - right or wrong, left or right.
You, sir or madam, articulate very effectively the maniacal dogma that rots the core of our small community: hatred of intellectual debate and a fear of progressive thought.
Maxim is simply annoying!
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Jaak - you're sounding JUST like HIM - coincidence? I think not!
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Jaak - you're sounding JUST like HIM - coincidence? I think not!
Nope, I didn't say it, but there's hardly anything written here with which I couldn't agree more!
Annoying or not, the ad hominem attacks are inexcusable.
Just tone it down and debate the issues. Please!
Just tone it down and debate the issues. Please!
Now let me undedrstand this a little better. " ..but there's hardly anything written here with which I couldn't agree more! . " To an average Joe like myself , this means I don't agree with most of the "stuff" written, i.e. Maxim doesn't agree with Jaak. The end result is that Maxim doesn't agree with Maxim. What a confused individual. Truly a sad situation. Hope there are no children to inherit the genes.
Ha Ha!
Another example of your inability to discuss the issue.
No ideas . . . just intense rage towards someone who IS able forumlate an original idea.
Since you weren't able to effectively argue the 80% EKP membership in Laskurkorpus you've gone ad hominem to cover up your complete ignorance. All of your arguments are rooted in hate and are without any substance whatsoever.
Ha Ha . . .keep 'em coming. . . .
Another example of your inability to discuss the issue.
No ideas . . . just intense rage towards someone who IS able forumlate an original idea.
Since you weren't able to effectively argue the 80% EKP membership in Laskurkorpus you've gone ad hominem to cover up your complete ignorance. All of your arguments are rooted in hate and are without any substance whatsoever.
Ha Ha . . .keep 'em coming. . . .
Jaak, now you know how I feel week in, week out. But in the end our love for the fatherland, our hopes for a better future are the values which will ultimately succeed all the nonsense that seems to come up with stubborn resilience. And without putting too fine a point on it; you'll obviously have to find out the hard way, as I have, that our collective critical calibre is intellectually pretty impotent!
"...But in the end our love for the fatherland.." We all know your fatherland is Russia since you have acknowledged it in the past. You are digging a deeper hole and you will soon reach China. Jõudu tööle !
That's odd. . .
I didn't know they allowed internet access in the building at the foot of Ossington at Queen. . .
I didn't know they allowed internet access in the building at the foot of Ossington at Queen. . .
The article, in this instance, is about the fate of some Estonian POW's at the end of the war.
In typical fashion, you, Maxim, were the first to comment in order to re-direct attention to a subject of your own choosing, as if you were entitled to do such a thing.
In typical fashion, you made scandal by promoting a view that's either implausible, provocative or insulting.Then you defend it appeals to the right of free speech, accusations of character assassination and, as a last stand, obduracy expressed in ungrammatical non sequiturs. One of these actually made me laugh. I'll paraphrase it because it illustrates the impossibility of engaging you in a discussion --
Maxim: Russian foreign policy always prevails in Europe.
Merilo: Not so, Maxim. Both NATO and the EU expanded against Russia's strident opposition.
Maxim: Your verbal diarrhea contains no facts.
Is that the response of a sane man who wants to discuss something? Do you really believe that there's a reader here who wishes to witness such bovine obduracy?
Readers! Are any of you fans of Maxim? If so, why? Many of us would love to know so please speak up.
Don't bother composing some responses yourself under other aliases. You have a style that reflects semi-literacy and mental problems so you've been obvious when you've tried it in the past.
In typical fashion, you, Maxim, were the first to comment in order to re-direct attention to a subject of your own choosing, as if you were entitled to do such a thing.
In typical fashion, you made scandal by promoting a view that's either implausible, provocative or insulting.Then you defend it appeals to the right of free speech, accusations of character assassination and, as a last stand, obduracy expressed in ungrammatical non sequiturs. One of these actually made me laugh. I'll paraphrase it because it illustrates the impossibility of engaging you in a discussion --
Maxim: Russian foreign policy always prevails in Europe.
Merilo: Not so, Maxim. Both NATO and the EU expanded against Russia's strident opposition.
Maxim: Your verbal diarrhea contains no facts.
Is that the response of a sane man who wants to discuss something? Do you really believe that there's a reader here who wishes to witness such bovine obduracy?
Readers! Are any of you fans of Maxim? If so, why? Many of us would love to know so please speak up.
Don't bother composing some responses yourself under other aliases. You have a style that reflects semi-literacy and mental problems so you've been obvious when you've tried it in the past.
Wow. . .
This threatening language and behaviour are totally uncalled for.
I would suggest that someone from this site ban the previous poster. Behaviour such as this would not be tolerated on a mainstream website.
This threatening language and behaviour are totally uncalled for.
I would suggest that someone from this site ban the previous poster. Behaviour such as this would not be tolerated on a mainstream website.
Could you tell us what you are talking about?...... Where is the threat in this posting?
Maxim. You have done this before. When somebody calls you for being wrong, you retreat into irrationality, or, as someone put it, "bovine obduracy". (Has a nice ring to it, and appropriate too.)
I'll sign off with one of your phrases -- "Better luck next time!"
Maxim. You have done this before. When somebody calls you for being wrong, you retreat into irrationality, or, as someone put it, "bovine obduracy". (Has a nice ring to it, and appropriate too.)
I'll sign off with one of your phrases -- "Better luck next time!"
Thank you!
I for one am SICK of Maxim's ramblings here!
He's obviously a has-been, looking for an audience.
I for one am SICK of Maxim's ramblings here!
He's obviously a has-been, looking for an audience.
I too thank whoever contributed this post; I am astonished that someone actually remembered a thread that was up for so short a period last week. And I can assure you, Maxim, that I am not writing posts to [i]myself (as you and Jaak are).[i]
The ongoing assault on balanced discussion is why young Canadian Estonians like me refuse to get involved with any meaningful community organization.
The ad hominem attacks issued by extremists on this board are embarrassing and insulting - you too Merilo.
Again, I ask for the moderator of the forum to scrutinize the previous posts for abusive language and ban those who exploit this forum for personal, slanderous attack.
The ad hominem attacks issued by extremists on this board are embarrassing and insulting - you too Merilo.
Again, I ask for the moderator of the forum to scrutinize the previous posts for abusive language and ban those who exploit this forum for personal, slanderous attack.
What about the 80% EKP membership in Laskurkorpus? You never gave me an answer.
Can I assume that you'll respond with name calling?
Can I assume that you'll respond with name calling?
I have not seen any obusive language here, nor out and out slander. If someone wanted to get slanderous, they would name names.
I agree in every respect-this is balanced discussion, except for the people who are hell bent on getting Jaak and Maxim blackballed. The tone of our critics is simply outrageous, when you add up what the actual discussion is about. Most responses are completely uncalled for, except that I've forgotten the narrow-mindedness of my generation. In Estonia you are able to express yourself much more freely. I think this is a great shame, and is the core reason for people leaving the community. Let's counter that drift and welcome polarized opinion here, contrary to what Anonymous and Merilo suggest.
I refer you to any posts with 'Maxim' in the subject title.
I'm also sick of Maxim. It's clear that he has some mental problem and for that I'm sorry. But we weren't the cause of it, so we should not be the the victim of it. There is no reason for him to carry on in such an offensive manner. It doesn't do him any good. It doesn't do us any good.The editors should have stepped in long ago.
I wish I could understand Maxim. He was one of us. Many years ago he moved to Estonia. Seems he had some problems with us. But instead of setting up a life there, Maxim spends his time coming back here to haunt us. Why? We are far away now. He has been gone for a long time. He should have forgotten about us by now. But instead he comes back to poke at our tender spots. This week's spot -- the Soviet soldier as Estonia's liberator -- is about as tender as they get. And what gets me is that he knows that he is driving us crazy but he talks as if he has fans here. Is this guy completely mad? Or is it all an act? There are people out there who know him. It sure would be nice to hear from you.
I just noticed something very interesting. The person who posted the items under the subject line (Teema) estland is the one who referred to the laskuskorpus being communist and the 80% number. Now if you go back in the EE archives to January 6th. of this year. There was an article written by Mr. Peeter Bush regarding an interesting web site in Estonia. The comments contain some very extreme right wing thoughts. It was the general belief at that time I believe that skinheads were involved. THE E-MAIL addresses of two commentators , (Puuk and Jonnipunn) , defending the web site was/is estland88 and estland. What a coincidence that now we have comments under the subject line of estland. I firmly believe we are dealing with skinhead remarks from Estonia re the 80% number. Bottom line , people within Estonia are posting in this paper as if they are Canadian. Maybe EE should have the same policy as Postimees . Here is a cut and paste from that paper. " Tähelepanu! Ajutiselt on suletud väljastpoolt Eestit kommentaaride postitamine." I definitely believe Canadian Estonians are blamed for things that they shouldn't be.
To Maxim=Jaak go ask your Estonian skinhead re the 80% remark and stop bothering us in Canada.
To Maxim=Jaak go ask your Estonian skinhead re the 80% remark and stop bothering us in Canada.
I'm not sure how you've come to the concludion that the commentator MUST be Estonian. I think the view - if I remember correctly- taken by Bush regarding the extremist website was fairly positive.
Given the tone and content of the previous 'anti-Maxim' posts it would seem more likely that these people would support such a website.
Also, why would a handful of Estonian hooligans try to influence opinion in Toronto: it doesn't add up.
Given the tone and content of the previous 'anti-Maxim' posts it would seem more likely that these people would support such a website.
Also, why would a handful of Estonian hooligans try to influence opinion in Toronto: it doesn't add up.
I think most of us can determine what's written by a local (Canadian) Estonian, vs one in Eesti.
I'm not sure that the language in the previous posts would indicate anything other than a Canadian posting.
I think this is Red Herring.
I think this is Red Herring.
Pretty pointless stuff. What are you strutting it for, Maxim?
By the way, there was a call for your supporters to step forward and tell us why they adore you........... How should we interpret the resulting silence?
By the way, there was a call for your supporters to step forward and tell us why they adore you........... How should we interpret the resulting silence?
I can't believe I've been drawn into a school yard shoving match by ignorant, extremist bullies.
Maxim: you really should start a Blog with english language entries:
an english language source for objective views on current Estonian issues.
I've left my email if you're interested and need help with setup.
Maxim: you really should start a Blog with english language entries:
an english language source for objective views on current Estonian issues.
I've left my email if you're interested and need help with setup.
Maxim. We all encourage you to set up your own blog.
There's an advantage: to get your message out, you would no longer have to humiliate yourself by poaching in the area dedicated to comments on EE articles.
It's balanced by a disadvantage: you would lose your readership and you would no longer be able to insult, goad and taunt Estonians. We wouldn't be there to read that we're Nazi sympathizers or collaborators, that Lutherans are the "low-lifes" of Estonian society, that Estonian women "entertained" the German troops, or that Soviet troops liberated Estonia. [This list is illustrative, not comprehensive.]
There's an advantage: to get your message out, you would no longer have to humiliate yourself by poaching in the area dedicated to comments on EE articles.
It's balanced by a disadvantage: you would lose your readership and you would no longer be able to insult, goad and taunt Estonians. We wouldn't be there to read that we're Nazi sympathizers or collaborators, that Lutherans are the "low-lifes" of Estonian society, that Estonian women "entertained" the German troops, or that Soviet troops liberated Estonia. [This list is illustrative, not comprehensive.]
I predict that Maxim will respond to Everybody with indignant protests of innocence. We'll hear, "I'm just trying to advance the argument, look at it from another angle, raise the level of discussion." We'll probably hear some denials and accusations of intolerance and extremism.
I predict that because we've heard it all before.
I predict that because we've heard it all before.
I'm sure you'd pay it a visit.
It's no fun agreeing with everyone all day . . . is it?
It would, howver, be sad to see the vistor numbers drop on this site though. Perhaps, if the discussion moderator would consider filtering the abuse . . . . even post a ban warning. . . .
It's no fun agreeing with everyone all day . . . is it?
It would, howver, be sad to see the vistor numbers drop on this site though. Perhaps, if the discussion moderator would consider filtering the abuse . . . . even post a ban warning. . . .
No one is interested in Maxim's message. (Who wants to be lectured and insulted by someone with obvious mental problems?)
His supporters were asked to speak up. There were no results.
His supporters were asked to speak up. There were no results.
Have you ever wondered why Maxim hasn't composed an article for EE just like Adu Raudkivi has done? Instead, Maxim rides on the tail of Raudkivi's article, stealing the space designated for comments on his thoughtful and hard work. Have you wondered why?
Perhaps it's because Maxim's here with other intentions. He says that he wants to explore ideas. But, what he actually does is work off his grudge against our community with taunts and insults.
Do you think that he is capable of writing a conventional article? It's unimaginable. His prose isn't sufficiently coherent and logical to meet the standard of a high-school composition class. Some of it strongly suggests that, in Maxim's mind, there's a tornado of rage and confusion which has blinded him to everything beyond itself. If you doubt this, go to the archives and examine the exchange between Maxim and Merilo. A play-write couldn't compose a more poignant collision between madness and reason. How can anyone take Maxim seriously?
And there's a suggestion for a moderator to screen abusive commentary out of dialogue. Problem: Maxim is abusive and wouldn't make it through the screen. Result: no dialogue.
Perhaps it's because Maxim's here with other intentions. He says that he wants to explore ideas. But, what he actually does is work off his grudge against our community with taunts and insults.
Do you think that he is capable of writing a conventional article? It's unimaginable. His prose isn't sufficiently coherent and logical to meet the standard of a high-school composition class. Some of it strongly suggests that, in Maxim's mind, there's a tornado of rage and confusion which has blinded him to everything beyond itself. If you doubt this, go to the archives and examine the exchange between Maxim and Merilo. A play-write couldn't compose a more poignant collision between madness and reason. How can anyone take Maxim seriously?
And there's a suggestion for a moderator to screen abusive commentary out of dialogue. Problem: Maxim is abusive and wouldn't make it through the screen. Result: no dialogue.
. . . and I rest my case.
This morning in Estonia, many people are awakening to the fear that a blindly driven racist is soon to set up a "think tank" in Rapla, looking at the possibility of making Estonia a spingboard for racism in the "near abroad". Today in Canada, my critics have overwhelmingly acted and spoken out with such anti-Russian venom which they conveniently cover up with every sordid analogy of putting "Maxim" behind "cyberspacial bars". I think that the time has finally come for Maxim to admit defeat, and let EE continue to do its work in a peacable manner. When I set up my own website (which I promise will be EXTRAORDINARILY INTERESTING) reading-I can't imagine that Anonymous of Mr Merilo will not at least once come to visit....then again...and again and again...because it will be the most interesting reading this side of the Atlantic!) I hope to meet with some of you again. Till then-best of luck to all..... no malice intended in the way my critics do with me!
Yes, there is a case of someone from Chicago having gone to Estonia recently. Narrowmindedness is something that is getting its way these days. Let's hope people are able to control their rage.
I'm pleased that you have decided to set up your own web-site. Sincerely, I wish you good luck with it so that you can put your message out to those who wish to hear it.
Don't expect a visit from me. I would go there only if I thought that I could get an answer to something that puzzles me -- why do you have such a profound grudge against the Canada's Estonian community? -- and I can't imagine an honest airing of that issue. So, there will be nothing for me there, just more of what we've already read here.
Your announcement to "let EE continue to do its work in a peaceable manner" is welcome and it puts the sincerity into my best wishes to you.
I hope that this is our last communication.
Don't expect a visit from me. I would go there only if I thought that I could get an answer to something that puzzles me -- why do you have such a profound grudge against the Canada's Estonian community? -- and I can't imagine an honest airing of that issue. So, there will be nothing for me there, just more of what we've already read here.
Your announcement to "let EE continue to do its work in a peaceable manner" is welcome and it puts the sincerity into my best wishes to you.
I hope that this is our last communication.
"This morning in Estonia, many people are awakening to the fear that a blindly driven racist is soon to set up a "think tank" in Rapla, looking at the possibility of making Estonia a spingboard for racism in the "near abroad". Today in Canada, my critics have overwhelmingly acted and spoken out with such anti-Russian venom which they conveniently cover up with every sordid analogy of putting "Maxim" behind "cyberspacial bars". I think that the time has finally come for Maxim to admit defeat, and let EE continue to do its work in a peacable manner. When I set up my own website (which I promise will be EXTRAORDINARILY INTERESTING) reading-I can't imagine that Anonymous of Mr Merilo will not at least once come to visit....then again...and again and again...because it will be the most interesting reading this side of the Atlantic!) I hope to meet with some of you again. Till then-best of luck to all..... no malice intended in the way my critics do with me!"
Maxim - I checked out the wbsite of the "One Peoples Project" if you are calling this organization a "think tank" you are sadly mistaken.
If you think this type of organization will have any major influence on an intelligent society such as the one Eesti, you are being very naive and poorly informed.
Maxim/Jaak could you please explain to the readers what the difference between the 4 or 5 years of German occupation and the nearly 60 years of Soviet occupation were?
Also what is so wrong about Eesti turning to the "west" for socioeconomic growth?
Maxim - I checked out the wbsite of the "One Peoples Project" if you are calling this organization a "think tank" you are sadly mistaken.
If you think this type of organization will have any major influence on an intelligent society such as the one Eesti, you are being very naive and poorly informed.
Maxim/Jaak could you please explain to the readers what the difference between the 4 or 5 years of German occupation and the nearly 60 years of Soviet occupation were?
Also what is so wrong about Eesti turning to the "west" for socioeconomic growth?
Well, I [i]for one[i] am relieved that Maxim is leaving.
Mind you, it has occasionally been amusing… like Maxim and his [i]imaginary friend Jaak[i] writing to each other.
We all know of pre-school children who invent and play with their imaginary friends… but when this extends into adulthood, it is an indication of a serious disorder.
Yes, yes I know… when I say [i]adulthood[i] in reference to Maxim, I am making a questionable assumption.
Mind you, it has occasionally been amusing… like Maxim and his [i]imaginary friend Jaak[i] writing to each other.
We all know of pre-school children who invent and play with their imaginary friends… but when this extends into adulthood, it is an indication of a serious disorder.
Yes, yes I know… when I say [i]adulthood[i] in reference to Maxim, I am making a questionable assumption.
The Rapla fella is also part of stormfront.org. I'm sure you're all familiar with that one?
PS does this string break the record for most posts? And if so, do I win a prize for sending post #100?
PS does this string break the record for most posts? And if so, do I win a prize for sending post #100?
Your language reminds me of that which was used by communist revolutionaries in Russia and Estonia
Is it possible that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree?
What is it that your rage is hiding?
Is it possible that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree?
What is it that your rage is hiding?
Peter:
I appreciate your note.
There is nothing wrong with being a proud Estonian - I too am proud of my heritage and all that the country has accomplished since the Russians left. However, I also believe in universal human rights: as they applied to Estonians during the occupation and as they apply to ALL of those living in Estonia today. It would seem that many Canadian Estonians - and a fanatical group in Estonia - believe that we live in a world where our history and the associated suffering at the hands of the Soviets justify revenge. To believe in this is counter productive and would be disasterous for the country - the world today is different and isn't interested in our victimhood. We need to accept our history and move on without forgetting and making sure that it simply does not happen again. And yet we must do it without hurting others or as is the case with the EE board, hurling insults.
I appreciate your note.
There is nothing wrong with being a proud Estonian - I too am proud of my heritage and all that the country has accomplished since the Russians left. However, I also believe in universal human rights: as they applied to Estonians during the occupation and as they apply to ALL of those living in Estonia today. It would seem that many Canadian Estonians - and a fanatical group in Estonia - believe that we live in a world where our history and the associated suffering at the hands of the Soviets justify revenge. To believe in this is counter productive and would be disasterous for the country - the world today is different and isn't interested in our victimhood. We need to accept our history and move on without forgetting and making sure that it simply does not happen again. And yet we must do it without hurting others or as is the case with the EE board, hurling insults.
You insult every Estonian worldwide when you write "...However, I also believe in universal human rights: as they applied to Estonians during the occupation and as they ..." Tell the women who were raped by the Russians. Tell the people who died in the Gulags. Tell the children who died at the hands of the Russians or lost their parents. How dare you write that there were human rights for Estonians during the occupation. Can you tell I am plenty angry. People like you should be investigated by the KAPO . You are the low life . You want me to forget . NEVER.
I'm sorry, it should have read:
"As they should have applied..."
"As they should have applied..."
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