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People without culture do such things. Who gave them the right to invoke the name of culture in their pursuits of fame and fortune? Cowardly too. Are any tegelinski's prepared to take ownership of this?
As a shareholder of the Estonian House I ask the Estonian House Board of Directors to stop immediately all actions regarding disposing of Estonian language literature (books, magazines, newspapers, historical documents and any and all archival material.) The Board should make available to all of its shareholders the opportunity to salvage any and all material the Estonian House Board of Directors have deemed "not worth keeping". Maybe a book/ garage sale type event could be organized by the new Estonian House Board of Directors. I personally have in my possession the following salvaged items from the garbage bins-A 1933 Estonian Mariner's Service Certificate, A 1929 Military Service Certificate,A 1924 Confirmation Sheet, A 1946 Swedish Travel Document, An Estonian Language book "H. Jänes- Meie Emakeel I" (Printed in Stockholm 1946, 1959 Kirjanduse Sirvilauad (Printed in Tallinn 1959), The Town of Viljandi printed in 1997 by Enno Piir. I wonder if the Estonian House Board of Directors have even taken the efforts to inventory what they have accumulated over the decades. I have a sickening gut feeling that maybe the Estonian House Board has just decided to clean house and toss everything into the garbage recycling bins. Thank you Tõnu for shedding some light on this "dismissive cavalier way of disposing of our cultural history of the refugee years". Kui üks süda ja üks hing!
We agree that these books and documents need to be kept, not thrown away. It is an anticipated problem that the right decisions are not always made in time. Please have back-up people in charge, so that this doesn't happen again.
A Story: When Toomas Hendrick Ilves reclaimed his ancestral farm, survey in hand, a neighbour came up to him to return a book, the only book she was able to rescue from the huge bonfire set by the Russian occupiers. Whomever is responsible for yet another act of "cultural treason" you have forgotten where you came from and who you are. When are you dragging out the piano? Häbematud tegelased. Blah!
the condition of books disposed of also needs consideration. I have personally emptied a basement where the books looked ok at first, but in fact were all quite smelly and damaged by mold and dampness. When things haven't been stored in great conditions, the potential that anyone will take them in hand, let alone read them is greatly diminished or eliminated. Was this possibly also the case here?
The books in the bin in the photo look like they are in quite good condition. I would have liked an opportunity to rescue some before they were thrown out! Why couldn't there have been a fundraising book sale? Another form of mismanagement, on top of the cultural treason.
The picture says for illustration purposes only...not the actual EH dumpster...
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Condition (10:07)
Just FYI, if the mould has not completely damaged a book or document and that book or document is rare, then the mould can be killed fairly easily by freezing the items for a while and them carefully brushing off the mould. There are also other methods to kill the mould. Then one can also scan it to ensure that it is available at least digitally. There is some kind of cleanup going on at Eesti Maja by ignorant persons as earlier they tried throwing out all of the Estonian orkestri music, which luckily was saved by someone else who saw it ready to be thrown out.
Thank you for pointing out that materials can be saved even if touched by mould.
This brings up a painful topic. While we seem to be moving forward with the building of a new Estonian centre downtown, we seem to be "closing down" our social community. The present Estonian House is a gut-renching eyesore left to decay with foul smelling carpets. How can the Estonian Prime rentable space is left unrented. House management and board be allowing this to happen?
Furthermore, there are no experts at the helm of our community salvaging archival materials, which allegedly are being put in the garbage at our present Estonian centre and in the homes of community members by younger generations not aware of their value.
There is no plan for the future of our community. Where are our leaders? Activity is willy-nilly. There is no cohesive discussion about the future of our community that should be flourishing now in anticipation of a new building. Building up activity has to happen in the present, when we still have people to participate, not that we wait until the new building is built years from now and the community has imploded onto itself.
This brings up a painful topic. While we seem to be moving forward with the building of a new Estonian centre downtown, we seem to be "closing down" our social community. The present Estonian House is a gut-renching eyesore left to decay with foul smelling carpets. How can the Estonian Prime rentable space is left unrented. House management and board be allowing this to happen?
Furthermore, there are no experts at the helm of our community salvaging archival materials, which allegedly are being put in the garbage at our present Estonian centre and in the homes of community members by younger generations not aware of their value.
There is no plan for the future of our community. Where are our leaders? Activity is willy-nilly. There is no cohesive discussion about the future of our community that should be flourishing now in anticipation of a new building. Building up activity has to happen in the present, when we still have people to participate, not that we wait until the new building is built years from now and the community has imploded onto itself.
Does anyone know for sure that whoever threw out these books DIDN'T check whether the archive at Tartu wanted them or had a better preserved copy? It seems like everyone is being awfully quick to condemn the disposal without considering that perhaps it wasn't willy-nilly at all. why would you assume that anyone at Estonian House - Board or Tenant - would care less about their heritage than you do and therefore act thoughtlessly? I don't know the circumstances in this specific case, but in general try to operate with a modicum of trust for my fellow citizens.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Condition (10:07), Condition (12:32)
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Eesti Maja board runs the Eesti Maja, not the archives, library, etc.
Don't jump to the conclusion that this dump had anything to do with Eesti Maja board. It may have very well be some other organization who runs archive or library or wherever these materials came from.
Don't jump to the conclusion that this dump had anything to do with Eesti Maja board. It may have very well be some other organization who runs archive or library or wherever these materials came from.
Dear don't jump,
It appears that the Estonian House Board
is taking no responsibility or vigilance as to what gets dumped into their blue bins. So who owns the archives housed at the Estonian House? Have any individuals donated their literary collections to the Estonian House? Who owns the library(ies) at the Estonian House? What will happen to the Estonian House art collection of close to 300 art works which currently are on display in all of the corridors and halls in the Estonian House? Are these 300 works the property of the Estonian House board or the shareholders? Who owns the merchandise in the currently closed and abandoned E-store, which I believe was run by the Estonian House. Many of the used books in the E-store were donated by community Estonians for sharing with the community at large. I am also a bit dismayed at the white pieces of paper covering up the E-Store windows. The Estonian House board could of least put up some promotional billboards for the New Madison Community Business Centre. Or will it be named the Andy Prozes Centre for Business Development. Explain to me why Mr. Prozes gets to name the centre for his private donation, which is quite small in comparison to the lion's share of the cost of this Madison project by the sale of the Estonian House. It is the Estonian House shareholders who should have the right to name this new glass ediface on Madison. Leadership of the community has passed from the wise man to the rich man, a curse of organizational Estonianism even today.
It appears that the Estonian House Board
is taking no responsibility or vigilance as to what gets dumped into their blue bins. So who owns the archives housed at the Estonian House? Have any individuals donated their literary collections to the Estonian House? Who owns the library(ies) at the Estonian House? What will happen to the Estonian House art collection of close to 300 art works which currently are on display in all of the corridors and halls in the Estonian House? Are these 300 works the property of the Estonian House board or the shareholders? Who owns the merchandise in the currently closed and abandoned E-store, which I believe was run by the Estonian House. Many of the used books in the E-store were donated by community Estonians for sharing with the community at large. I am also a bit dismayed at the white pieces of paper covering up the E-Store windows. The Estonian House board could of least put up some promotional billboards for the New Madison Community Business Centre. Or will it be named the Andy Prozes Centre for Business Development. Explain to me why Mr. Prozes gets to name the centre for his private donation, which is quite small in comparison to the lion's share of the cost of this Madison project by the sale of the Estonian House. It is the Estonian House shareholders who should have the right to name this new glass ediface on Madison. Leadership of the community has passed from the wise man to the rich man, a curse of organizational Estonianism even today.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Jaak Järve (17:14)
Jaak, I agree with you regarding estore, naming rights, etc, but I don't think EM board is necessarily responsible for dumping books. I'm not sure who owns the archives (EKN?) or library (TESS School?), but before pointing the finger to EM juhatus, you should find out who actually dumped the books.
If scouts or EKK or TEPP or EKN or whoever decide to dump some of their stuff, it is not necessarily EM's fault.
If scouts or EKK or TEPP or EKN or whoever decide to dump some of their stuff, it is not necessarily EM's fault.
1. I don't agree with Just Jump. If I had tenants in my home who improperly did something on my property, the city is going to get in touch with me, the homeowner who is running the show.
2. I am quite surprised myself that the WHOLE Madison building is going to sport A. Prozes' name. I can understand a part of the building. I guess this signals that the Madison project leadership has exhausted all avenues for funding for the construction project?
2. I am quite surprised myself that the WHOLE Madison building is going to sport A. Prozes' name. I can understand a part of the building. I guess this signals that the Madison project leadership has exhausted all avenues for funding for the construction project?
Please explain the policy on acceptable commentary.
In my opinion, anonymous commentary is unacceptable; to preserve legal recourse for anyone slandered.
In my opinion, anonymous commentary is unacceptable; to preserve legal recourse for anyone slandered.
As in most internet forums, anonymity is allowed. As far as slandering people goes, I don't believe that's something you need to worry about. Rest assured that the anonymity afforded by this website has it's limits and if do you slander anyone, you will most likely have to answer for it. As far as the rules go, they are hard to miss when you are posting a comment (they are displayed just below the box where you enter your comment) but in case you missed it, here they are:
Ära postita roppusi, ärireklaami, autorikaitse alla kuuluvaid materjale või teksti mis halvustab põhjendamatult teisi isikuid. EWR jätab endale õiguse kustutada mistahes kommentaari. Kommentaarid esindavad kirjutaja isiklikke seisukohti.
As far as the this article goes, this makes me sad. I would hope that before any more stuff is thrown out, people are given the opportunity to take some things. Or at least post a list every day of items that are about to be discarded (I'd be happy to climb into the garbage bins myself if it meant getting free works of art by Peeter Sepp's and old copies of Mana).
Ära postita roppusi, ärireklaami, autorikaitse alla kuuluvaid materjale või teksti mis halvustab põhjendamatult teisi isikuid. EWR jätab endale õiguse kustutada mistahes kommentaari. Kommentaarid esindavad kirjutaja isiklikke seisukohti.
As far as the this article goes, this makes me sad. I would hope that before any more stuff is thrown out, people are given the opportunity to take some things. Or at least post a list every day of items that are about to be discarded (I'd be happy to climb into the garbage bins myself if it meant getting free works of art by Peeter Sepp's and old copies of Mana).
I don't believe that Andy Prozes acquired his wealth by illegal means. More likely, he worked hard and intelligently.
Wealth and intelligence are not mutually exclusive. Shame on you for suggesting otherwise.
Wealth and intelligence are not mutually exclusive. Shame on you for suggesting otherwise.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Dear Editor (12:57)
Perhaps you should read Jaak's comment again, I don't believe he suggested any such thing.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: lugeja (15:43)
It was unsettling that Ingrid Sepp Jaenes was let go, the e-store, a kind of town square, closed, with plans to sell off the larger town square, Eesti Maja. Aside from people already retired she is the most knowledgeable person on Estonian literature in the broad sense, music, etc.. and she is a vital link in the community. The celebrated accordionist who came again to Metsaülikool this year (read the interview) was so thankful for the valuable material she shared with him, published as it happened by Chicago Estonian House in 1985. With her community experience on both sides of the ocean she was truly at Eesti Maja an invaluable resource, facilitator, and archival evaluator .
What did Veiko Parming and Raivo Remmel do? There was a shuffle in who was actually the director of the Estonian House Board the very week in which Ingrid was asked summarily to give over the keys. To whom, and for what purpose?
It is mortifying to accept having been taken for a ride – betrayed, by ignorant people. But pride should then take a back seat.
What did Veiko Parming and Raivo Remmel do? There was a shuffle in who was actually the director of the Estonian House Board the very week in which Ingrid was asked summarily to give over the keys. To whom, and for what purpose?
It is mortifying to accept having been taken for a ride – betrayed, by ignorant people. But pride should then take a back seat.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: a crying shame indeed (13:51)
An interesting article written many years ago in English about three of our important Estonian writers who published in exile. This may create interest to read their works or at least to find more worthy homes for our books, avoiding the recycling bin or the garbage.
http://www.lituanus.org/1972/7...
http://www.lituanus.org/1972/7...
...the interesting article.
Alas, very little Estonian literature is translated into English.
The late Eric Dickens completed Ristikivi's 'Hingede öö' but, couldn't find a publisher for it. .... A pity!
The younger generation of Estonians (i.e. under 70) "in exile", as we used to say, care about their cultural roots but have a hard time with the language. They might be a market for Estonian literature in translation. Our cultural and charitable organisations should promote this, perhaps, in conjunction with The Estonian Literature Information Centre in Tallinn.
Alas, very little Estonian literature is translated into English.
The late Eric Dickens completed Ristikivi's 'Hingede öö' but, couldn't find a publisher for it. .... A pity!
The younger generation of Estonians (i.e. under 70) "in exile", as we used to say, care about their cultural roots but have a hard time with the language. They might be a market for Estonian literature in translation. Our cultural and charitable organisations should promote this, perhaps, in conjunction with The Estonian Literature Information Centre in Tallinn.
Thank you for this gem of an article. How is the best way to find more of such articles in English? So much amazing content by Ilse Lehiste. Makes me want to find books by these authors at the Estonian House and take them home to read.
Perhaps you are right, perhaps translations will help people connect with their past when they don't have the language or have a poor grasp of it. I really enjoyed I. Lehiste's translation of K. Lepik's poem, which is well explained and translated. The poem makes me feel the hopelessness, despair and for some maybe even depression felt by people whose homeland and families were stolen from them and the world goes on around, business as usual.
Perhaps you are right, perhaps translations will help people connect with their past when they don't have the language or have a poor grasp of it. I really enjoyed I. Lehiste's translation of K. Lepik's poem, which is well explained and translated. The poem makes me feel the hopelessness, despair and for some maybe even depression felt by people whose homeland and families were stolen from them and the world goes on around, business as usual.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: Responsibility (09:31)
Yes, there is not enough available in English, but there is just one small way that we can give back something to Estonia and our Estonian roots. We can get into translating ourselves and help to fund the translation and publication of Estonian literature and Estonia-related materials in English. And, of course, we can do as much as we can so that there are less senseless acts of Estonian books ending up in the garbage. Let´s learn more about our cultural heritage and share what we know with others.
Here is another place to read about our culture in English.
http://elm.estinst.ee/
Here is another place to read about our culture in English.
http://elm.estinst.ee/
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: On Estonian literature (00:05)
Perhaps this is a good place to start
http://elm.estinst.ee/featured...
as there are many books by these authors still in our homes, on our shelves and in boxes. (Sadly, some were also in the dumpster) These are just some of the authors of old books, which should not simply be thrown out, but should find new homes. Yes, they are in Estonian, but translator Adam Cullen is not Estonian. If he could do it, so can we, especially since we have the advantage of already knowing some Estonian.
http://elm.estinst.ee/featured...
as there are many books by these authors still in our homes, on our shelves and in boxes. (Sadly, some were also in the dumpster) These are just some of the authors of old books, which should not simply be thrown out, but should find new homes. Yes, they are in Estonian, but translator Adam Cullen is not Estonian. If he could do it, so can we, especially since we have the advantage of already knowing some Estonian.
Samalt IP numbrilt on siin varem kommenteerinud: On Estonian literature (00:05), More on Estonian Literature (00:19)
Yes, there are a very few exceptional individuals, like Adam Cullen, who have immersed themselves into Estonian life, learned the language well, and contributed to Estonian culture by popularizing it abroad as a translator.
That's a hard act to follow! Still, we might us him as a role-model.
A good start would be to start reading some of the books that are being discarded, to the lament of Jaak Jarve, among others.
That gives rise to some questions: Hey Jaak! How many Estonian books have you read in the past year? Why not encourage the rest of us by writing book reviews in Estonian?
That's a hard act to follow! Still, we might us him as a role-model.
A good start would be to start reading some of the books that are being discarded, to the lament of Jaak Jarve, among others.
That gives rise to some questions: Hey Jaak! How many Estonian books have you read in the past year? Why not encourage the rest of us by writing book reviews in Estonian?
Aaah I am seeing a pattern here. First of all people who sat in Ulle's kohvik with their Starbucks for hours and Ulle paid rent. Now people who thought Ingrid was Social Services and not a paid to run a store. Yes a Town Square is lovely but if in the last year she was able to profit only $411. Who, if not you who hung out and bought little, is to pay for it all? I am still waiting for the Estonian House business plan.
culture
How does one join the group Friends of Eesti Maja? I understand that they are trying to solicit monies from our seniors community by scaring them about the future of the Estonian community in Canada. Where is this money going? From what I can tell, most of the people connected to this group are unemployed. Is this some sort of scheme?
Phony charities are a big problem everywhere. I'm infuriated by their presence in our small community!
We should have a close look at "Friends of Eesti Maja". Who are they? What are they telling our seniors?
Our newspapers are letting us down. We need some investigating and unbiased reporting about an energetic mischief maker. Any mention of his name, here, has been quickly erased. That's an outrage!
We should have a close look at "Friends of Eesti Maja". Who are they? What are they telling our seniors?
Our newspapers are letting us down. We need some investigating and unbiased reporting about an energetic mischief maker. Any mention of his name, here, has been quickly erased. That's an outrage!
And whatever happened to 'Tulge külla' ... it sounds like something the' friends' may have started.....but perhaps there's yet another anonymous group who is scared to show it's true colours?!
In light of the loss of the eStore, closing of the kohvik, throwing out of books and orchestral music, it seems as though there will be a kind of cultural gap. It was really great to have a place to buy books and gifts at the Estonian House. Maybe a separate group would be more interested in restoring the things we lost in a new kind of format. I have seen charity coffee shop/bookstores in other cities, and they are really nice community hubs. Something to consider?
Our president is a successful retired businessman and the team members are all financially secure. Since you may not have read all our articles , here is a recap: the Friends is legally incorporated as a not for profit and recently donated $7,265 cash and $67,800 through a successful grant application , to the Eesti Maja to support the roof repair. Additionally, we have renovated classrooms and the lower level kitchen , painted the lower level hallways, the cafe /kohvik , e-store and the Grand Hall, replaced the carpet in the grand hall foyer, planted flowers and shrubs in the front garden, cut branches, cleaned, swept and washed windows. Sadly, our renovations have not all been maintained by the EH board. We were honoured to volunteer by helping Ehatare and Abistamiskomitee celebrate the EV 100 Ball at Eesti Maja last February. Together with AKEN and ETNO Ring Estonian stripes were painted at the front of the cloakroom. Money for all our projects has been obtained through fundraising, donations, and our own pockets. Fundraising initiatives have included Friends Cafes and Bake Sales, Esto Oktoberfest, Hiigel Basaar Kohvik to mention a few. These activities have been officially registered and accepted as an Eesti Vabariigi 100 kingitus.
Why can't you mention tell us his name?
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