Here's an excerpt from this link from Coast Mountain Roof - a Certified Advanced Installer in Vancouver:

https://coastmountainroof.com/...

• Durable: It is virtually impossible to overstate the durability of a copper roof. There are numerous examples of buildings all over the world that have copper roofs that have lasted for hundreds of years, with no signs of damage or weakening of any kind. This is because a copper roof technically has no finish that can be scratched or damaged, and in the unlikely event of any damage occurring, copper is light and malleable enough to be easily repaired by an expert with the proper tools and skills. Recent studies have shown that copper roofs installed on 18th buildings in Europe can potentially last for another 1000 years!* How’s that for longevity?

I'm surprised that you are surprised, lugeja. It is a time honoured tradition to manufacture a crisis and then tear down everything and start anew. We witnessed the same behaviour during EM debacle - we have no money, we can never fix it, more than 50 years old, it will blow up tomorrow, etc, etc. But to allow somebody else to try - no, no, no. What was the original due diligence estimate for KESKUS? 18 million? And how much is it now? $41 million +++? Fool me once ...

I’d love to be able to deny the fact that St. Peter’s roof has been leaking for years. Anyone who attended the last meeting on March 25th would have seen the leaks (3 places on that day) and the buckets.

Did the church executive investigate adaptive re-use for the church? ERA preservation architects were contacted about concrete towers (e.g. Tartu College) but not churches within the community:

“Toronto has a large stock of churches that function, in part, like informal community centres. There’s an opportunity in relation to doing something proactive with a whole slew of buildings fated to close. We could emulate programs like Artscape, while at the same time striving to maintain many of the present functions of churches. It’s an E.R.A. project but Tower Renewal is another case.”*

By their own account the short answer is No. And, in the announcement of the Special Meeting in 2020**, AS IF the acclaimed architectural gem “is a building after all, and an ageing one at that”:

“Statistics do not support the illusion that increased donations are the answer. The committee consulted with various experts in real estate, construction, etc. as well as to Bishop of the ELCIC. There are no christian congregations interested in purchasing or renting a church. Our lot is too small to build around the existing church structure. The only viable solution is to sell the church and property…". This was not true. And the committee did not consult with E.R.A. architects, well known within the community, or any other preservation architects.

http://spacing.ca/toronto/2011...

** https://eestielu.com/to-be-or-...

To Lugeja: To the best of my knowledge, the roof would need to be opened up, in order to get a complete analysis of the extent of deterioration below the surface. As it has a steep slope, the water has come in from various spots over the years, including along the edges and from above, as seen on March 25th. The roof is only one of many serious issues affecting the church. There is and has been no money (declining membership, attendance and donations over many decades)to address these problems. This is the trend in many congregations including Vana Andres, which sold its building and has been renting at Agricola for years.

what sort of renovations are being suggested?

anything like what Vana Andres went through?

https://building.gracetoronto....

https://www.larkinarchitect.co...

Church is not listed as a heritage building yet. Its only on the registry. Meanwhile the drips drop.

Majority rules. You are absolutely right most folks want keskus. And why not! This is all part of the natural evolution of our community. And much like in nature, the weaker elements will fade away, and the rest of us will be stronger for it. Elagu Toronto eestlus!

Why does it always come back to keskus? Remember, it’s not about the keskus, it’s about the church.

Life teacher? Well how grand for you. Love Rules. Truth will out, and Bon Chance with your. . . what did you call it “natural evolution” The scuttlebutt on the cost of your KusePalace is now @65M. (munching on popcorn) All us “weaker elements” will have a ringside seat when Darwin’s Law cleans house. munchmunch >burp<

What ‘life teacher’ says makes a lot of sense. I mean look at it..everything our community has done has led us here. Every building, every organization that has existed has done so for the sole purpose of getting us to the KESKUS. It is the culmination of all our efforts. It is our reward. Baffles me to the core how folks can be so dead set against this. Just utterly confusing. But are we are still one community and as such there are times when we have to pull others along and show them the way. And you know what, I for one am happy to do it. Love you all!!

From where does the $65 million figure come? It was $46 million at the February meeting, what's happening?

who says put all your eggs in one basket?

Methinks "Reformed Hippie" had a little too much of the "KoolAid" back in the day.

All of human history shall culminate in the great and almighty KESKUS on Madison!

I hope it works out, but c'mon...

Looks like some of your hippy dippy trippimg buddies have never landed.

https://www.bing.com/videos/se...

Friends -- St. Peter's Estonian Church will last for many years to come.

As a point of interest, the CRA website indicates the Church having $812,000 in cash resources as at December 2021, which is the approximate amount it has held over the past five years.

It therefore appears there are resources for major repairs. Elagu St. Peters!