Perhaps you should review the bylaws for how credit unions operate especially the part about moving or changing locations.

The Keskus vote prevailed, bc the people involved, and the people who support it…well..are all better than you and your kind. GET USED TO IT.

The Keskus website states : "Estonian House was no longer sustainable financially. It is asset rich but, cash poor." Hmmmmm...
SO NOW...We no longer have our most valuable asset( a jewel of a property) AND , if you hear Ms. Valter & Mr. Parming, we are apparently short MILLIONS of dollars and, AND WE DO NOT HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTRE !!!
I do not put much faith into Ms.Valter saying we need $6 million...as I have done my research. A number of years back, when the glass box property was sitting with no building activity on it, she told the community engagement meeting that they had spent $13 MILLION so far. AGAIN, AT THAT POINT THERE WAS NOTHING, ZERO, ZIP HAPPENING ON THE SITE. So LOGIC , and some phone calls placed to the right departments , would tell me that ALOT more is needed than $6 million.
WHY DOESN'T THIS REGISTER WITH PEOPLE ?
A rather irresponsible attitude not unlike the attitude many people (myself included )take towards out-of-control government spending. ( Except for ,this is our once-beloved ESTO COMMUNITY !)
And let's remember ALL the years that nothing, zero, zip was going on at the glassbox site, Harbridge & Cross were there with all their inclusive DAILY COSTS that racked up over time add up to millions of dollars.
So we need ONLY $6 Million...NOT VERY LIKELY...JUST NEED TO DO SOME RESEARCH...

Perhaps you should review the bylaws for how credit unions operate especially the part about moving or changing locations.

Despite Ms. Valter's claims of sustainability , this hardly seems possible. Afterall, she asked participants at a Community Engagement Meeting to come up with suggestions for an ELEVATOR...What building whose business plan is income from rental of space, CANNOT ACCOMODATE, a FREIGHT ELEVATOR ??? At a later meeting, she told everyone that there would be a regular elevator. Does NOT bode well for rental income.

But that is only one of many issues that the EXTREMELY FLAWED property has... : NO PARKING, One-way street that exits past a major bike lane onto a busy Bloor St.( try waiting to make that right-hand only turn); a tiny green space across the street that Ms. Valter brags about often but, which in actuality is regularly vandalized; is a dumping ground for trash; and a haven for drug addicts. Security services will be a major cost and major concern.

AND WAIT >>>>JUST LIKE TARTU COLLEGE EVENT SPACE, YOU GET THE VIBRATION AND NOISE OF THE SUBWAY AT YOUR EVENT EVERY FEW MINUTES !!!
ALL OF THIS FOR > $50 Million Dollars
PLUS !

As an impartial third party I was asked to conduct a thorough fact check of the present situation. I am pleased to report, that our findings have determined that the EH was indeed a dump and needed to be disposed of. We thank you for engaging our services and trust the results should remove the need for any further debate on this issue.

Those who write or comment in support of the Glass Box NEVER address the ISSUES that are put forward with any type of intelligent argument about the ISSUES themselves. They always just make rude remarks or bring everything back to their disdain for the Estonian House. That must be because there really is NO argument that can be made for all the NEGATIVES associated with the pre-determined decision to build on this completely INAPPROPRIATE, RISK- FILLED, EXHORBITANTLY EXPENSIVE, and TOTALLY UNSUSTAINABLE site.

Mr. David Kalm & Ms. Valter (we all know she writes his scripts - the problems start when he goes off script )have said that the "community space" on Madison Ave., will be in the BASEMENT so, I suppose you really will be in the $50 MILLION PLUS "hole" both literally and figuratively.

Einstein, Tv, McDuck, Virtuoso, Northern Esto, Notice, Friend of EH, Visionary, Doing your own research is key, Exactly et al.

What is so wrong about prepared talking points? Those who claim that there is no "business acumen" among the people doing the work at Keskus are you not aware that most business people giving press releases have "talking points"? Those individuals who don't need "talking points" are primarily politicians who have rehearsed and/or given the same BS over and over ad nauseam.

So what if they veer off-topic? Why are you just sitting and waiting to ambush these people?

Don't you have anything better to do?

If some of you would spend some time "doing your own research" regarding EXACTLY what it took to establish the EM at 958 or PK at 817, then there was VA at 383 you would know that there were even more naysayers back then.

Whoever brought up the Indian Space Program you too should have spent some time "doing your own research". How much infrastructure was in place before the launch? To claim the Indian government only spent $60 million to launch, is misinformation. (Can you say Russian collusion?).

Parking?? Is that a complaint or just another case of not "doing your own research"? Which EM in another major metropolitan city in the world provides parking let alone for free? I'm pretty sure NYC or London does not. Sure Chicago does... but had you been "doing your own research" you would know it is not near the downtown core of Chicago.

In the era of minimizing our carbon footprint and greenhouse gases, you are still complaining about driving to drop off children for activities? I guess by "doing your own research" you would have known how the Estonian DP families got to 383, 817, or 958 without personal cars. How do you think Estonians were able to attend functions at NYC EM?

TTC Vibrations after how many years of attending functions at TC and it NOW has become an issue. Yet another example of not "doing your own research"! Are you expecting the same privaatsus ja vaikus as at Tädi Heldela’s farm near Hellenurme? That's what JK, KJ, and Seedrioru offer. It would seem that the naysayer Tv hasn't visited those locales where many volunteers work.

EXACTLY are you "doing your own research" regarding those loans? Please post your research.

Great reply. However where is the elevator issue coming from? Could you please post your source for this information?

Again, as usual, GlassBox supporters invent rebuttles that totally bypass the POINT! Probably because a decent argument against the actual point could never be made by them.
No one could ever justify to the shareholders of EM, or to anyone else, that the out-of-control budget of the Glass Box swelled enormously because the Project Lead could not have imagined, and then had to agree to, risk-filled terms, put forth by the Toronto Transit Commission, that involved engineering the most expensive form of vibration and noise control (which has been proven previously not to work ) while also protecting TTC infrastructure. These facts were initially deliberately hidden from the community because the fear was: who would support a project that involved this massive additional cost in terms of both money and time? NO ONE ELSE, over all these decades , EVER WANTED TO BUILD ON # 9 MADISON because they were smart not stupid. They could all figure out that it was a bottomless MONEY PIT and this project is just in the infancy of proving it.

How do you measure the damage inflicted upon the Toronto Estonian community by the sale of the Estonian House at 958 Broadview Avenue and the quixotic Keskus project slated to be built on Madison Avenue beside Tartu College. Aside from the splitting of the community with regards to the Keskus project and the anger and frustration it has generated here are some significant losses the Estonian community has to live with. First and foremost we have lost a meeting place for community members to hold birthdays, wakes, weddings, confirmation parties and simply get-togethers with more than ample parking. We have lost a permanent stage, a shooting gallery, an Estonian artifacts store, an art gallery and Estonian school classrooms. Scout and guide troops now have to utilize Estonian church grounds to conduct their meetings. This Keskus project is promoted and touted as the new age Estonian international business centre. So basically the losses sustained by the community members and groups are of no importance or significance to the bankers and business gurus to conduct their Estonian business at this plus $50 million Keskus global flagship endeavour. This raises a rather pertinent question. Would we have been able to divert these losses by investing $5-10 million in upgrading the Estonian House at 958 Broadview Avenue instead of the Keskus project?